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In Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi there is a plot point about tracking through lightspeed.

Somehow Rose and Finn come to the conclusion that only the lead Star Destroyer is doing the tracking.

When Poe suggests blowing up the the lead Star Destroyer as a solution, Finn says something like:

"I like where your head's at, but no, they'll only start tracking us from another destroyer"


Which is why they need to go onto the lead Star Destroyer and disable the tracker stealthily. According to Rose, they won't notice the tracker is off for "one system cycle", which gives them an escape window of "about six minutes".


My Question:

  • How are Rose and Finn so sure that the other Star Destroyers have their trackers turned off and that only the lead Destroyer is actively tracking them?
  • Another plot hole. Also, how do you track without a beacon? You need another part sending signals! Otherwise it's just a fancy telescope. – Chloe Dec 23 '17 at 18:32
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    @Chloe - I think some of the answers below show that it's not a "plot hole," just maybe not how you'd handle it. Hunters track animals all the time that are not equipped with beacons, so sending a signal (vs following traces or signs of passage) is not the only way to "track" something, either. – PoloHoleSet Dec 27 '17 at 17:03
  • I thought it more odd that everyone was wondering aloud how they could be tracked while holding a blinking tracking beacon - and nobody ever mentioned it. – OrangeDog Apr 18 '18 at 12:33
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Barring additional detail from the forthcoming novelization I don't think there will ever be an in-universe explanation. However, the TLJ Visual Dictionary and Incredible Cross-Sections have some info about hyperspace tracking, though it seems a bit contradictory to what we see in the film.

From Incredible Cross-Sections, in the Supremacy section (snokes flying wing ship)

A Hunter's Secrets: The First Order tracks targets throught hyperspace using a combination of technological advances and brute-force data crunching. The shipboard tracking control complex boasts the data-sifting power of a planetary intel hub, linking huge computer arrays to databanks loaded with centuries of combat reports and astrogation data.A static hyperspace field generated around the machines then accelerates their processing power to unheard of levels. A target's last known trajectory yields trillions of potential destinations, but the system can assess them with terrifying speed.

From the Visual Dictionary, again under the section on the Supremacy:

Tracking Room At the heart of the Supremacy's advanced hyperspace tracker is a complex static hyperspace field generator. This envelops arrays of databanks and computers in a localized hyperspace field that accelerates their calculation speeds to unimaginable rates.

So this bit of data suggests that the tracking methodology is basically predictive, based on some readings made of the ships jump into lightspeed. It heavily implies that the capability to do this rests solely in the Supremacy, not in regular FO Star Destroyers. But perhaps the trajectory data could come from another ship, but must be fed into the Supremacy supercomputers, which is why Finn and Rose try to sabotage that specific component.

Rose mentions that "hyperspace tracking is new tech", but must work like active tracking. While the principles of how it works could be generally understood even if it is new, Rose and Finn may be making an incorrect assumption but get to the correct answer anyway (which is to hit snokes ship).

By comparing it to active tracking, we can make some assumptions based on how active tracking works in our world. Active tracking implies that there is a signal emitter and a receiver (much like RADAR or SONAR for us), contrasted to passive tracking where there is just a sensor receiving some sort of emission or trace left by the target (like passive hydrophones in subs that listen for noise made by another ship). The Visual Dictionary and Cross-section books don't really support hyperspace tracking working in this way, other than perhaps to get the initial data that is then fed to the supercomputers.

So there could be several possibilities for why just the lead ship is using hyperspace tracking:

A. protocol, perhaps to prevent confusion amongst the ships about which way to go because all the pursuing ships are slaved to the lead ship in order to jump in unison. Given the distances involved in making jumps that are lightyears apart, precision and coordination is paramount. So the front ship does the tracking, gets the direction to jump, and the entire fleet uses that to jump together so that they arrive together, not scattered and liable to be destroyed piecemeal if they are lead into a trap.

B. a technological limitation, i.e. the sensor can only operate on one ship at a time to prevent masking the hyperspace trace or drowning out the sensor (kinda like if a bunch of subs start emitting sonar pings at once). It makes sense that the front ship will do the tracking so that there are no intervening ships to block it, or other emitters to confuse the return. Star Wars ship fly in VERY close formation, even compared to modern naval ships or even aircraft, so they can actually block each other pretty easily.

C. By "lead ship" Finn and Rose mean the command ship, the one leading the formation. It seems pedantic, but they talk about infiltrating Snokes big flying wing ship even though then they are leaving, Finn has a fleet map up that shows Snoke in the rear of the formation, all the other star destroyers are in front. Eventually Snoke does move his ship into the lead as seen by the effects of Holdos ramming tactic, but initially it looks to be in the back of the formation, but since Snoke is on it, it is the command vessel and could be considered the "lead ship".

I now favor A the most, the emphasis on active tracking is misleading, the hyperspace tracking just needs a trajectory. So it makes sense that the front ship with the most unobstructed view of the target is the one that monitors it and reports back the data since it needs a visual triangulation based on the lightspeed "zip" line a jumping ship leaves or something like that.

Its possible that the source books are incorrect about how many ships contain hyperspace trackers, or it was changed later on. The Supremacy wasn't shown in the initial retreat from the Resistance base, so either other destroyers can track or it is true that just one ship can make the observation and feed it to the Supremacy wherever it happens to be. I think Rose and Finn make some incorrect assumptions about the tech but chanced upon a possibly successful plan anyway, given Finn's knowledge of the Supremacy.

  • It would be a rather odd protocol to allow only one ship to do the tracking (just as a backup / fail safe it would make sense to have at least one other ship do it as well). - If there is a technological limitation to the new technology, then Rose and Finn shouldn't know about it, since they just learned that this technology even exists. – Oliver_C Dec 20 '17 at 20:18
  • I'm greatly prefer your second answer. They don't get there logically until after Rose says something like "it must work on the same principle as any active tracking". – LevenTrek Dec 20 '17 at 22:32
  • Respectfully speaking, this answer is incorrect. Rose explicitly mentions the reasoning behind it in the film. – Charles Dec 23 '17 at 5:29
  • Roses statement doesn't actually explain anything. Both of my answers could explain why only the lead ship does the tracking. – Jason K Dec 24 '17 at 15:25
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    @JasonK The OP isn't asking why the lead ship is the only active tracker.. it asks why Rose and Finn were confident in targeting/sneaking onto only the lead ship; these are two separate questions. -- "How are Rose and Finn so sure that the other Star Destroyers have their trackers turned off and that only the lead Destroyer is actively tracking them?" -- And, as I suggest in my response, it's simply protocol. I provided the actual dialogue as supporting evidence. – Charles Dec 28 '17 at 14:25
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How are Rose and Finn so sure that the other Star Destroyers have their trackers turned off and that only the lead Destroyer is actively tracking them?

This is explicitly explained by Rose in the film.

While Rose is carting [paralyzed] Finn away to report him for attempted abandonment, Finn tries convincing Rose why the fleet is doomed by stating that the First Order can track their fleet through hyperspace. Rose is initially in disbelief, however, she & Finn then say:

ROSE: Active tracking..

FINN: What now?

ROSE: Hyperspace tracking is new tech, but the principle must be the same as any active tracker..

ROSE & FINN: so they're only tracking us from the lead ship!

ROSE: But, we cant get to the tracker, it's an A class process, they'll control it from the main bridge..

FINN: Yeah, but every A class process..

ROSE & FINN: has a dedicated power breaker.

ROSE: But, who knows where the breaker room is in the star destroyer?

FINN: The guy who used to mop it. If I can get us there...

ROSE: I can shut their tracker down.

For the bolded text, both Finn and Rose exclaimed it at the same time. And then, from there, they deduced where the room would be and came up with the rest of the plan (Finn will get them there, Rose will disable the system).

Afterwards, when explaining their plan to Poe:

POE: Just, give it to me one more time, simpler.

FINN: So, the first order is only tracking us from one destroyer.

POE: So we blow that one up.

FINN: I like where you're heads at, but no, they'll only start tracking us from another destroyer. But, if we sneak onboard the lead destroyer and disable the tracker without them realizing -- (GETS CUT OFF ABRUPTLY)

ROSE: they won't realize it's offline for about one system cycle; about six minutes.

So, it appears to be standard protocol for only the lead ship to perform the tracking when active tracking is involved.

And then, since Finn & Rose are taking a more covert approach to disabling the tracker, all other ships in The First Order's fleet won't be aware of this for roughly six minutes, more than enough time to jump to light speed and to get away from The First Order untracked.

This is how Rose & Finn deduce that they only need to disable the tracker on the lead destroyer, The Supremacy.

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    Wasn't Hux's ship tracking them before Snoke showed up? They did board Snokes ship right? – SCFi Dec 27 '17 at 14:45
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    @SCFi That's correct -- Rose and Finn boarded The Supremacy, which is where Snoke was located. Does my response conflict with this information or sth? Or, were you just curious? – Charles Dec 27 '17 at 14:51
  • Well if they were already being tracked by Hux's ship and Snoke showed up and began leading... why is the flag ship leading the tracking but that's not the point. Even if they disabled Snokes ship Huxs ship could just take over again. I am confused – SCFi Dec 27 '17 at 14:54
  • I will add despite my confusion I understand your answer the logic just makes me confused – SCFi Dec 27 '17 at 15:02
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    I've added the actual dialog from the film. And yes, I also initially shared your confusion, however, I believe Hux was also on Snoke's ship. Shortly after The Resistance jumps to light speed for the first time, and Snoke's hologram speaks with Hux in the command room, Hux then appears in Snoke's chambers. Also, later on, General Hux is found in Snoke's chambers again when talking with Kylo Ren. It would then seem that Hux was also on The Supremacy, and not his typical ship, The Finalizer. – Charles Dec 27 '17 at 15:21

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