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In Game of Thrones, there are numerous scenes which includes not limited to nudity, various sexual activities. Is showing those scenes relevant to the show? I mean what if those explicit scenes were not shown but just gave a hint about what happened? Would that introduce plot holes or incoherence to the story?

What I'm asking here is:

Are those scenes necessary to the story telling?

What difference could it make if those scenes were not shown in the show? Is it necessary to include these scenes?

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    Its depicting the ruling class of a pseudo-medieval world at war, where there are few laws other than the word of the nobility. To a degree its trying not to shy away from what would happen in such a situation - but probably its to increase viewership when if it was a pg-13 'swords and sandals' it would have a more limited audience. – iandotkelly Jul 27 '17 at 13:07
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    Probably not to coward away from the true depiction that the author intended. Also, the show is intended for a mature audience with adult content not just in sexual, but in violent nature. I find it curious that people only complain about the sexual part. – LeonX Jul 27 '17 at 13:17
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    @LeonFreire Agree entirely. Unfortunately it seems to be a part of our (North American) culture that we complain about gratuitous sex more than we do about gratuitous violence. Probably has to do with all the "anti-sex/don't get pregnant" preaching we hear in school through our teenage years. (Anti-violence is preached, too, but not nearly to the same extent.) – Steve-O Jul 27 '17 at 13:25
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    @AnthonyGrist - You can have someone get killed, stabbed, whatever, without blood spurting, without showing an arrow going into an eye socket, without having a headless corpse on a horse, closeup of a dog ripping off a face, someone trying to hold their intestines in with their hands, so if the subject is whether the explicit nature of the depictions are gratuitous or not, I'm not sure you've made the distinction between the necessity of the violent vs the sexual. It's an ugly, grown-up, brutal world and sexuality is an adult reality. Not a show for kids, so I don't see the problem. – PoloHoleSet Jul 27 '17 at 14:17
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    It's entertainment. No show is just about plot, just about moving the story forward. If that was the case, the show could just be a person in a chair telling you about the plot, with no entertaining visuals. I'd say that a lot of visual media (TV, movies, online video) is about showing things that viewers are going to react to emotionally. – BrettFromLA Jul 27 '17 at 17:21
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Is it necessary?

Well, you can argue that most tangential things are not directly necessary for the plot. However, that doesn't mean that they can't help paint the picture.

Although I do think that the show sometimes overly focuses on sexual scenes (e.g. the latest scene between Yara Greyjoy and Ellaria Sand felt contrived and revealed nothing new about either of their characters), I do think that there is validity in showing sexual scenes altogether.

This goes hand in hand with the displays of violence, e.g. Ned Stark being decapitated without the camera panning away and implying the beheading.

Sex and violence serve the same purpose here: they paint the world of Westeros (and beyond) as a grim world, where reality is not as sophisticated as others would have you believe.

For example, look at Sansa in King's Landing. An innocent, naive child. Wouldn't harm a fly, and is more prone to cry instead of get angry. However, when the people in King's Landing rioted, three men tried to rape her.
Did those three men care about her soft character? No. Because it is irrelevant that Sansa is such a softie. To those men, she was nothing more than an orifice that they wanted to penetrate.

I apologize for the blunt description, but it does prove my point rather nicely: there is a gritty reality in the world of Game of Thrones, and it needs to be presented to the viewer. If the characters are meant to forcibly endure this harsh and gritty world, and the viewer is supposed to follow the character's experiences, that means that the viewer must also forcibly endure these things, whether they like it or not.


Let me prove why it is necessary.

Look at this rape scene from Rick and Morty. I promise you, there is no nudity nor truly sexual behavior. I wouldn't watch it at work but it is not pornographic in any way.

Doesn't this feel much more real than when Morty would have entered the next scene and said that a jellybean tried to rape him?

I really like this scene from a cinematic point of view. It really showcases the inescapability of the imminent rape. Morty struggles and almost gets away a few times, but he gets pulled back and is victim to this seemingly inescapable situation.

There is a sense of reality. We saw it. We experienced the rape. We know what Morty went through. We were hoping that he could get away, but afraid that he wouldn't be able to. It seemed so grim, so unfair, so dark. We felt Morty's pain and fear, rather than just imagining what it must have been like.

A picture says more than a thousand words.


Is this gritty reality necessary for Game of Thrones?

My answer is yes.

Compare Game of Thrones to Lord of the Rings. Both deal with a medieval fantasy world, both focus on politics and a greater evil that warrants warring factions to work together to overcome it.

But these stories are portrayed very differently. Lord of the Rings paints a clear picture between good and evil. Although there are people who end up in a morally grey area (Boromir's mistake, Sméagol's redemption), the story itself is clear: good must defeat evil.

However, this distinction between good and evil is not as clear in Game of Thrones, and that is by intention. The good guys do not inherently win because they wear plot armor. Sometimes, entire subplots get wiped out before they have even begun to come to fruition (most notably the Red Wedding)


Compare the Batman movies from the '90s (e.g. Batman Forever) to the Nolan Batman movies (e.g. The Dark Knight). These are two very differnt interpretations of the same source material.

The older movies make heavy use of the superhero archetype, where the hero will always prevail, and rarely (if ever) makes intentional mistakes. The movies also never suggest that the hero is doing something wrong. The hero is clearly a good guy.

The Nolan trilogy, however, does away with the inherent notion that heroes are good people. It shows Bruce Wayne not only as a fallible person, but a man who carries resentment, and whose principles may not be as morally right as Bruce thinks they are.

To me, the description of the Nolan Batman trilogy and Game of Thrones always boils down to the same two words: gritty realism. It may not be pretty, you may not like it, but it is the objective truth, and you will be presented with it whether you like it or not (because the people in the story are also presented with an undeniable-but-undesired truth).


So was it necessary?

Let me break down your question into different facets:

Were all sexual scenes necessary to the plot?

No. There are a few scenes that could have been omitted.

Should the show have avoided sexual scenes altogether?

No. It would have dramatically changed how the viewers perceived the world. The shows needs to be in-your-face real (to reflect the books). It shows the gritty realism of both violence and sex. This gritty realism is quintessential to the story of Game of Thrones.

Could they have omitted some sexual scenes?

Of course they could have. They could've done anything they wanted, it's their show after all.

However, where should they have drawn the line? Because with every scene that they omit from the final result; they change the perception of the show in general. And little by little, they would be reshaping both the show, and our interpretation of both the story and the world in which it takes place.

Censorship is never a good approach. (But neither is excessively overdoing it, in your defense).

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    I can understand your concern and also appreciate you answer but you don't need to react like this with edits and no need to spoil your own already good answer, if you have issue with the censored edit then it's better to raise you voice where it started. Deleting your own community appreciated answer is not a right way to do it. – Ankit Sharma Aug 4 '17 at 9:26
  • @AnkitSharma: Sorry if I misexplained. What I meant is that if a mod wants to enforce the edit (which implies that they deem the original version unacceptable), that I would prefer they delete the unacceptable answer rather than edit its contents. I'm not intent on deleting this answer myself, as I do agree with you that the community has appreciated this answer. I initially wanted to flag the edit itself, but I couldn't find a way to do that, hence why I left a message for the mods, in case someone now flagged my (again uncensored) answer. – Flater Aug 4 '17 at 9:33
  • @AnkitSharma: At the time of writing that comment, I hadn't seen that you have apparently enforced the edit. I'm honestly shocked that no one sees the hypocrisy of censoring an answer that argues against censoring. But I will address this via the link you provided. – Flater Aug 4 '17 at 9:35
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    I roll-backed your edit because it was harming your own answer, I am neither supporting the censorship nor standing against it by that rollback. That main meta post is still open for debate and you can share your views there too but editing your own answer to include the complains will not help. – Ankit Sharma Aug 4 '17 at 9:40
  • @AnkitSharma: I agree that it was not the best place. However, can you suggest a better way to respond to what in my opinion are wrong edits? I only added it to the question in absence of a better way to respond to an already approved (but again, in my opinion wrong) edit? – Flater Aug 4 '17 at 12:07
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EDIT: The question was changed by a user other than the OP to imply it's about simply cutting the scenes. The original question had a stronger focus on replacing rather than cutting the scenes.

Much of the sex is fan service.

Let's look for good memorable scenes of the series and see how many of them are sex scenes. There is no truly objective way to look for the good scenes in GoT, so I simply googled "Game of Thrones Great Scenes", and looked at the first result. We see 4 out of 20 scenes that do involve nudity - Melisandre's "Baby", Daenerys' Dragons,The Walk of Shame, Jon Snow's Rebirth. Of course, the links contain nudity and are Not Safe For Work.

While all 4 of these scenes show nudity, none are sexual in nature. 2 of the4 could trivially have covered far more skin - both giving birth and waking up on a table have been filmed with clothed actors many times in other series. If I understand the question correctly, it asks specifically about the scenes that are sexual beyond nudity, and our sample of 20 great scenes involves zero of these.

One additional scene out of the 20, "Bran Stark Falls" follows directly from a sex scene where we see a side view of a naked female behind involved in a sexual act with a fully clothed man. The scene could easily have been portrayed with less nudity, but it was indeed necessary for the plot that the audience realized the people were having sex.

So, are there any sexual scenes that add value from a story telling point of view and couldn't be trivially replaced by scenes with non-nude actors? Among the almost countless sex scenes, I can only think of the ones in the first season involving Daenerys, were the change in positions highlights the character development. Another scene involving Sansa (spoiler, so I skip the details), which was somewhat relevant to the plot (there are some who think the whole thing could easily have been skipped altogether), is sexual in nature but doesn't even involve a hint of nudity, which actually shows that sexual scenes do not need to be explicit.

It also seems like the 3 downvoters can't think of any such scene, or they would have mentioned one in the comments.

The vast majority of the remaining sexual scenes is, in my opinion, just a brand building exercise by HBO. A brand is worth money and that's what funds the show.


  • And regarding nudity for realism: not showing Jon naked would mean nobody has to wonder how men find the time to do a full body shave (ironically with the exception of the face) in medieval fantasy settings.

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