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When Two Face AKA Harvey Dent dies after falling from the building at the end of The Dark Knight, Gordon and Batman have the following conversation:

Gordon: The Joker took the best of us and tore him down. People will lose hope.

Batman: They won't. They must never know what he did.

Gordon: Five dead. Two of them cops. You can't sweep that...

So Gordon says Harvey Dent killed five people and two of them were the cops, Wuertz and Ramirez. Among the remaining, two are Maroni and his driver.

Who was the fifth one that Harvey killed?

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    He didn't kill Ramirez AFAIK. He spared her because the coin told him to. He just hit her. (BTW, there's a very elaborate answer on IMDb's FAQ.) – Walt Jan 23 '17 at 11:46
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    Well, it's really long. ;) Honestly, I never knew what Gordon is talking about or how he heard about all those deaths so quickly. The only reasonable guess is that it's some conclusion he reached after all the stuff he heard, and we'll never know what that tally really means or if it's even accurate. After all, he's going through a pretty crazy day. – Walt Jan 23 '17 at 11:58
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    Now that I think about it Gordon's "You can't sweep that..." is a bit off. Just blame it on the Joker, no one will notice :P – Puddler Jan 23 '17 at 23:08
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    @Puddler Well, see this and this. – Walt Jan 24 '17 at 9:35
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    Congratulations, this question is the winner of the corresponding topic challenge. – Napoleon Wilson Jan 29 '17 at 23:28
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The fifth one isn't someone that Harvey Dent killed. It's Harvey himself.

The "five people" dead that Commissioner Gordon is referring to here are (in chronological order);

  • Michael Wuertz, the cop that Harvey kills in the bar.
  • Sal Maroni's driver, who Harvey shoots in the car.
  • Sal Maroni, who (presumably) dies in the car crash Harvey causes.
  • Anna Ramirez, the cop that Harvey uses to gain access to Commissioner Gordon's family. Although actually alive, Commissioner Gordon has no reason to think that Harvey would have spared her.
  • Harvey Dent himself, who Batman tackles off a building in order to save Commissioner Gordon's son.

There are other interpretations of this line elsewhere on the web (some people think that Sal Maroni's bodyguard is the fifth, and others think it's the bartender in the bar where Michael Wuertz is killed), but as far as I can tell this is the only interpretation that fulfills the "two of them cops" part of Commissioner Gordon's line.

  • It also makes sense for the context of the statement. Gordon was basically saying "how to we explain these deaths to the public?" Harvey Dent was a public figure, his death would need to be explained, and Gordon's question inherently implies that "Dent killed the others" is not a good explanation (even if it is the truth). – Flater Sep 5 '17 at 9:25
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From the IMDb FAQ segment about this sentence:

A definitive answer is impossible. Christopher Nolan, when asked about an answer during a Blu-Ray Live Event, responded "I will answer this question one day. But not today."

However, I think this is the most reasonable explanation:

Detective Wuertz. Killed in the bar.

Detective Anna Ramirez. While Two-Face lets her live, he knocks her out. She would have been missing. Gordon, knowing she's the one who drove Rachel, might have assumed she was dead. Or, less likely, Dent inadvertently killed her - although he intends to let her live, she could have been severely injured (e.g., head striking pavement) after being knocked out by Dent, and subsequently died.

Maroni's Driver. Shot by Two-Face while driving along the scrapyard.

Salvatore Maroni. [...] Two-Face puts his seat belt on and shoots the driver, causing him to crash and flip the car. While Two-Face walks away from the crash unscathed, we never find out what happened to Maroni. We can assume he was either killed in the crash because he wasn't wearing his seat belt or left Gotham and went into hiding afterwards; either way, he isn't in The Dark Knight Rises.

Harvey Dent. Gordon could have meant Dent himself, because in The Dark Knight Rises the public is under the impression that Batman murdered Harvey Dent in cold blood. It is never mentioned who else that Batman had supposedly killed.

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Gordon: Five dead. Two of them cops. You can't sweep that...

So Gordon says Harvey Dent killed five people

No, Gordon says that five people are dead.

One of them is Harvey Dent!

  • Obviously they didn't die from natural cause, did they? Also Gordon says you can't sweep that. – A J Jan 23 '17 at 16:47
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    @AJ: Right, you can't hide the deaths of five people all relating from the same incident. They don't have to be murders, and Gordon never said they were. Four of them, as it happens, were. And, yes, being murdered is one way to die. – Lightness Races with Monica Jan 23 '17 at 17:35
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You all are forgetting about the second dude with Maroni. Right before they get in the limo, you can quickly see on the left side of the screen Two-Face take out the second gunman from behind on the left side of the screen. Presumably he could be dead as well.

  • Then how does it justify the two cops part? – A J Sep 4 '17 at 16:51

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