Earlier in the episode, we see Spencer return from a supply run and receive some commendation for it by one of Negan's men.

You look like shit, which means you fought for this. You did your jobs. You get it, and I like that. Negan likes that.

However, just before gutting Spencer, Negan says:

You know, I'm thinking, Spencer. I'm thinking how Rick threatened to kill me, how he clearly hates my guts. But he is out there right now, gathering shit for me to make sure I don't hurt any of the fine people that live here. He is swallowing his hate and getting [Chuckling] shit done. That takes guts. And then there's you The guy who waited for Rick to be gone so he could sneak over and talk to me to get me to do his dirty work, so he could take Rick's place. So I got to ask -- if you wanna take over, why not just kill Rick yourself and just take over? -- You know what I'm thinking? 'Cause I have a guess. [Whispering] It's because you got no guts. [Knife unsheathes] How embarrassing. There they are. They were inside you the whole time. You did have guts.

Its no secret that no-one at Alexandria or anywhere else loves Negan (including Spencer); except maybe the Saviours. In a world where humans/communities are constantly at each other's throats for supplies, superiority or other needs at some point or another, it's hard for me to understand why Spencer's hatred for Rick (given the death's in Spencer's family) is justifiable enough a reason to kill Spencer. Gregory at Hilltop is equally a coward while being in charge. So killing Spencer instead of putting him in command, just to humiliate Rick further doesn't sit well with me. The mere suggestion of it by Spencer would in my opinion take guts, as it definitely didn't seem as if Spencer meant Negan should kill Rick; unless it was his over confidence that brought about his death.

  • @FranciscoV. Presumably so, and in fact I did add a footnote asking if anyone thought of it as a spoiler, to edit it. Turns out, the very first edit removed the footnote but didn't alter the spoiler content.
    – batman
    Jan 6, 2017 at 3:51

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Negan wants Rick in charge.

  • Rick is someone who will do what it takes to protect his people
  • Rick is willing to do hard work and swallow his hatred of Negan to get more supplies
  • Negan wants Rick and Alexandria to become complacent followers with a certain level of "trust" for him.
  • Don't discount the fact that Negan is a homicidal lunatic

More detailed explanation

I think this scene is explained better in the comics than the show. Negan is trying to build a sort of relationship with Rick and show him that while he is a tyrant, he is reasonable to those who learn to follow his rules. Rick is a strong leader and Negan sees that and knows that having Rick under his thumb would be incredibly valuable to him. Whereas a person like Spencer sneaks around trying to get others to do his own dirty work.

As Negan explains in the comic, he respects that Rick is swallowing his pride and hatred for Negan and is out doing what it takes to protect his people.

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He also later explains to Rick that while his methods are screwed up, he is trying to show him that he's willing to be reasonable.

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    I've never read the comics, just followed the series on TV. Fair enough answer; thanks :)
    – batman
    Jan 5, 2017 at 7:02

Both men misjudged the other.

  • Negan came to the conclusion that Spencer would be a weak leader, unwilling to get his hands dirty and do what's necessary. He also thought that Spencer was asking him to kill Rick, who Negan considered a strong leader, according to his own values. So as he saw it, Negan was doing Rick a solid and sending a message about what kind of worker he values.

  • Spencer came to the conclusion that although Negan was a killer, he was also the kind of man his mother could have worked with, because he believed in re-building society as opposed to revelling in the chaos as most other TWD villains have. Therefore, he tried to appeal to Negan as a politician would. And while Negan was all about re-building civilisation, what Spencer didn't get that it was a civilisation being rebuilt in Negan's own image, according to his own special rules. Where politicians aren't valued.

I don't think Spencer actually wanted Rick dead. And while it's true that Rick probably is a better leader, it's not true that Spencer wasn't prepared to get his hands dirty and do what's necessary.

And actually, I would have liked to have seen a storyline where Spencer takes over and Rick is put into a secondary position, because while not as badass as Rick, Spencer was fairly charismatic, pragmatic, and again, not afraid to get his hands dirty - it's just that he wanted to play the long game with the Saviors. His whiny, "small" streak would probably have been negated by his taking control of the situation away from Rick for the time being, and he would have gotten on better with the Saviors (and possibly Negan) than Rick, who was constantly on the verge of losing his shit (PTSD?) because he was there when Abe and Glenn were killed. It may have worked better long-term.

But all Negan saw was a pampered-looking, fast-talking kid vs Rick the badass, and wrongly concluded that said kid was asking him to take said badass out for him (because Negan is a homicidal maniac himself), while all Spencer saw was a brutal, yet essentially reasonable, status quo adhering, same-civilisation-as-before-rebuilding guy who he, a politician, could deal with better than Rick, a short-sighted, reckless thug, ever could.

  • Spencer wasn't going to get his hands dirty in this case; like Negan said, he could've just killed Rick, instead he went to Negan to ask for help making him the leader. Rick is also not a short sighted reckless thug, you might have missed all the previous seasons where he took a bunch of decisions for the benefit of the group - including bending over to Negan all this time to protect the group until he could figure out a way to lead them all to freedom again.
    – Luciano
    Jul 7, 2017 at 10:03
  • @Luciano "Rick is also not a short sighted reckless thug" I wasn't saying that he was - I was saying that that's how Spencer saw Rick, but despite that, I don't think Spencer actually wanted him dead. He just didn't want him in charge. Negan misunderstood him in that regard, because he's a homicidal lunatic himself.
    – user52718
    Jul 7, 2017 at 11:17
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    Oh clear. Although I don't think Negan misunderstood Spencer; what he is saying is that the best way to get Rick's place as leader is to kill him, not to come asking for it.
    – Luciano
    Jul 7, 2017 at 14:58
  • @Luciano, You might be right - I just didn't think it was in Spencer's character. He was whiny, arrogant and grew resentful of Rick, but I interpret him as still living according to his mother's values, which were all about civilisation and politics (which is why he thought he and Negan were on the same page, more or less). So he was being slimy, but murder hadn't seemed to have even occurred to him - he's a pampered politician's son.
    – user52718
    Jul 7, 2017 at 15:17
  • So I thought he was asking for Negan's blessing/permission, and for Negan to deal with him instead of Rick from now on, and to tell Rick to just get over the change. To support this, Spencer actually looks shocked and tries to reply when Negan starts accusing him of not having the guts to kill Rick and just take over himself. I haven't got evidence for this - it's just how I interpreted the character.
    – user52718
    Jul 7, 2017 at 15:20

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