In Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, Newt restrains Graves' movements with one of his friendly beasts and then proceeds to use the Revelio spell to... (spoiler)

reveal Graves' true identity, who is actually Gellert Grindelwald.

My question is, what gave him away? How did Newt realize that man was not really Graves? I was thinking maybe the speech he gave matched...

Grindelwald's ideas

...and also the power and skill he displayed whilst fighting the aurors. Does anyone have a better explanation for this? Also, as a curiosity, what did...


...do with the real Graves? Maybe something similar to what was done to Alastor Moody in The Goblet of Fire?

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    Good points on all counts. It's not much of an answer, so I am posting as a comment. – John Nov 21 '16 at 19:31
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    These are two separate questions. – Ghoti and Chips Nov 21 '16 at 19:36
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    Don't ask multiple question inside one body – Ankit Sharma Nov 21 '16 at 19:46
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    @MatheusRotta I'm usually defending people for the thing I'm "attacking" you for now, which is allowing follow-up questions that answering the main question would lend to answering anyway, but this is not a case of that. I disagree that they are so connected, because one is asking about Newt and his ability to discern Graves' true identity, and the other question is asking about Graves and what happened to the "real" Graves. They are entirely separate topics, in my opinion, as someone who usually defends against what I'm arguing, but we can agree to disagree. – Ghoti and Chips Nov 21 '16 at 19:52
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    [cont.] Yes, you may believe that there is a real Graves, but it's not confirmed, yet, nor is there strong enough evidence to make the speculation sound, I don't think. Anyway, asking questions based on assumptions is tricky because your assumption may be false. I'm not trying to personally offend or spite you, I just genuinely think these are questions that deserve their own separate discussions, and that you made an assumption worth questioning and labelling as "speculation". – Ghoti and Chips Nov 21 '16 at 19:55

I think Graves said something along the lines of "for the greater good" which is the punchline and motto of you-know-who-2. The whole speech he gave was reeking of you-know-who-2's ideology

Also he attacked the ministry with quite expertise.. which ministry employee would do that?

The way he interacted with Credence and how he egged on Credence to unleash his power.

I'm sure with prior knowledge of the sort of person you-know-who-2 is.. it ticked off some alarm in Newt's head

Or he could just be absolutely lucky.

  • You-know-who-2! Nice, I enjoyed this name for him. The points you displayed are very coherent. But I was wondering if someone could give us something certain, maybe extracted from the book or from some interview with J.K.R. – Matheus Rotta Nov 22 '16 at 1:42
  • Haha thank you ! @Matheus it sounded right for him ! :) – Anu7 Nov 22 '16 at 1:44

The newspapers were filled with stories about Grindelwald. He is renowned or feared as a great wizard. All the magical community has Grindelwald on their minds.

I think the sheer scope and skill of his magic is what gives Newt the idea that Graves is Grindelwald. That is why Newt uses the Revelio spell.

  • If I edit do I need to make a comment so that the edit is noticed? Thanks! – WRX Dec 12 '16 at 16:51
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    What you did was fine. It will also post on the main page again after an edit, so it's good :) – steelersquirrel Dec 12 '16 at 16:53

I think, and this is just an idea, that fake Graves said something when he was interviewing Newt and maybe they both figured out that the other one knew.

It's the only idea I could come up with as Newt had very little contact with the man before hand, apart from seeing him in Tina's workspaces.

  • Could you add the conversations from the movie to support your answer? – ashveli Jun 30 '17 at 6:17

A lot of people have suggested a few different ideas for how Newt discovered about -you know who 2-'s reveal. But baring in mind this wizard in question was a masterful wizard with charms (could turn invisible using charms at 17 so it's more probable to use that rather than Polyjuice potion) it's more likely something to do with Newt's abilities rather than -you know who's- mistakes. Reminder Newt works with some peculiar animals/creatures as well as having experience with evil beasts such as Dragons and Obscurials. It's probably something he noticed from -you know who's- actions and speech. Plus -you know who- was very well known in Europe and not in America. We don't know if they could have met before. For all we know or Dumbledore told him about -YKW-. In truth

I think the power too. Queenie couldn't read his mind and open his door, while being able to fight the Aurors (while using wandless magic I may add).

The real Graves is probably dead. I don't think -YKW- would have bothered to carry baggage while in the USA with his lifestyle. Plus Graves was head of Security and high up in MACUSA. Too dangerous to him to be left alive.

Just my thoughts!

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