I recently asked "Does the producer demand to have the trick explained before hand, privately?", where it was confirmed there is a screening process for the show in which the contestant magician must explain the trick to a "3rd party" magician, Johnny Thompson, who verifies whether or not Penn & Teller have been fooled in case of dispute, and presumably ensures that the trick follows the shows guidelines.

  1. I think it's against the rules to plant assistants in the audience and then pick them at "random" on the show.

  2. Interestingly, my original reason for asking the question I linked above was to learn whether the "random" audience member in Nick Einhorn's P&T:FU performance could have been a plant. Since the answer to my question was "Yes, there's a guy working for P&T who verifies the trick before hand.", I came to the conclusion "Wow, that was a legit trick."

  3. However, I later heard (in a YouTube comment) that the "random" audience members in Nick Einhorn's trick were later discovered to have been his assistants, and Pen and Teller nullified his award for fooling them. My source is far from reliable, but that does seem like a rather specific rumor to just make up.

So, if the details in #1, #2, & #3 are accurate, it doesn't make sense to me how Nick Einhorn's trick could have made it past the screening process.

Are those points each accurate, and if so:

How did he get on the show if he had to explain his trick to a magician before hand who would verify that it could be used on the show?

  • Can you link to the YouTube comment? What leads you to believe it is reliable given that it appears to contradict points #1 & #2? – Carl Fink Jul 23 '16 at 18:25
  • @CarlFink Two facts: 1) It seems too specific to be made up in a comment like that 2) Einhorn uniquely does not host the video of his P&T episode on his YouTube channel as all of the other magicians seem to do. This leads me to believe it could've been taken down. And I wish I could link you to the comment, but it was a response to a comment on a different video that I watched much later, and I watched like 25 episodes on YT, no idea which one it was now. – Viziionary Jul 23 '16 at 18:27
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    I really think the answer is that the YouTube commenter was (consciously or otherwise) just wrong. Especially given the link in your other question which demonstrates pretty strongly that the trick does not require an audience plant. I'll be interested to learn of any solid evidence that Einhorn's victory was rescinded. – Carl Fink Jul 23 '16 at 18:43
  • I'd also be interested to see solid evidence for point #1, which I, too, believe to be correct but haven't seen confirmed for sure. – Carl Fink Jul 23 '16 at 18:46
  • It could be that the trick is easier with a plant, or they arnt required to perform the trick for the 3rd Party, just a reasonable explanation. Or that the guy couldn't trick Johnny. If he can fool P&T, then he could just as easily fool Johnny. He's not infallible, and magic is all about misdirection. – cde Jul 23 '16 at 20:24

Just to clarify. The trick was legit, no plants, no lies.

A man by the name (say your name) will be instructed to sit at table number (say your table number) where he will be served (read label on back of metal tray).

That's it...the whole trick. No plants at all, the guy saying the FU title was nullified is lying

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    This explanation of the trick, linked to in a comment on the asker's previous question, includes a screenshot of the note. While it does say, "please say your name," it also clearly includes the actual table number and food item mentioned, not just placeholders. The explanation includes a description of how this could have been achieved (namely by using 18 envelopes instead of only 3, and including 3 messages on each note). – Carl Fink Sep 19 '16 at 17:00
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    An extremely dangerous method, because there WILL be smartasses who read out the note literally. – Weckar E. Aug 14 '17 at 11:41
  • All people included are insiders. The link explains it all. The screenshot of the yellow note is not faked, in the video the last words are "...a pizza" and the guy says a other food. So the people are fakers. All 4. – CodeCrusha Apr 30 '19 at 5:47

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