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In Game Of Thrones S06E09, after the battle, inside Winterfell, the giant is on his knees and Jon Snow is standing besides him when Ramsay strikes the giant in the eye with an arrow. The giant was already fatally wounded and was unlikely to get back on his feet. Why did Ramsay aim for the giant then and not Jon Snow?

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    one problem at a time... – Skooba Jun 22 '16 at 14:21
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    Haha, clickbait - I fully expected that to be about Gordon Ramsay hitting someone on his cook show. – rumtscho Jun 23 '16 at 8:58
  • I think it is just for being able to create a dramatic scene. – abidinberkay Jun 23 '16 at 13:06
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    Probably the same reason the Direwolves are not seen all that often. – TLP Jun 24 '16 at 17:01
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    I didn't see any indication that the accumulation of non-eyeball wounds were necessarily fatal. – PoloHoleSet Aug 23 '17 at 15:47
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We can see the answer in what happens immediately after. It's textbook Ramsay manipulation, and it nearly worked.

Ramsay was surrounded by loyalists to Jon's faction who immediately aimed at him. If he'd shot Jon, his men would have fired immediately without hesitation, killing him before rushing to try to save Jon. But Jon, their leader, is still alive, and Ramsay's talking, not posing an immediate physical threat - so they wait for Jon's order.

This gives Ramsay an opportunity to do what he does best: manipulate honourable fools, and exploit emotional weaknesses.

He challenges Jon to a one-to-one fight, a challenge no sane person would ever accept in these circumstances - but Jon is easy to manipulate and enraged from just having seen a big friendly giant get shot in the eye. Jon charges, seemingly accepting the duel. Jon's men don't know what to do. This is duel, right? You don't interfere with duels.

If Ramsay had succeeded in shooting Jon here, Ramsay would get another opportunity to manipulate. He could confuse Jon's men's sense of honour using the fact they'd seen him beat Jon in a one-on-one duel that Jon had seemingly accepted. And a subtle detail: to my eye Ramsay seemed to be aiming at Jon's sword arm shoulder: had he hit, he could even make a show of being merciful to a disablingly wounded Jon, putting himself in a good negotiating position.


Could it work? Could he talk his way into exile, or possibly even divide what remains of Jon's ramsharkle army and turn the factions against each other (Wildlings and Night's Watchmen, Northerners and Vale knights)?

Maybe, maybe not - ill-disciplined leaderless men are unpredictable. But he'd have better odds this way than if he'd simply shot Jon then been immediately felled by a hail of arrows (and possibly, ripped in half by an angry wounded giant).

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    He was probably a little bit over confident that his bow and arrow could beat Jon's sword from a distance. He just didn't anticipate Jon's berserk mode. – Möoz Jun 22 '16 at 22:11
  • @OlivierGrégoire from the way he repeatedly calls Jon Snow "bastard", I'd say he longer identifies himself as one. – muru Jun 24 '16 at 21:22
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    .....and he definitely could have won the duel if Jon had failed to find an abandoned shield in time, or if Jon were just a hair slow blocking any of the arrows Ramsey shot. – Kyle Strand Jun 24 '16 at 22:25
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    @muru: Ramsey manipulates. He isn't calling Jon a bastard because he wants to highlight Jon and Ramsay's differences. He's calling Jon a bastard because Jon hates being called one. Ramsay's opinion on whether Ramsay is a bastard or not does not matter; the goal is to piss Jon off. – Flater May 23 '17 at 14:35
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    @muru: Again, Ramsay is a manipulator. His main skill is that he reads people like a book and finds their weakness. He knew nothing about Theon either yet he completely broke his psyche. Furthermore, Jon's personality makes him an open book to read. He rarely hides how he feels about something and many characters have already remarked (and liked/disliked) this about Jon. – Flater May 24 '17 at 7:17
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On top of the sadistic nature people have mentioned already, Ramsay is a pretty good strategist. He was probably thinking "If I kill Jon, it's me vs. a Giant and the men. If I kill the Giant, Jon can be goaded to fight me one on one, which is the only way I can win here." He had just seen Jon come running across a battlefield into range of his archers because he goaded him to try to save his brother, so he thinks he knows what Jon will do next.

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Ramsay enjoys teasing people. The show runners revealed that it wasn't until the moment his dogs were about to eat him alive that Ramsay realized that he had lost (an evidence for this was his cocky comment that he "still held Winterfell" even though his entire army had been swipe out by the Knight's of the Vale cavalry and he had not one but two Starks knocking at his doorstep.

When he saw Jon looking at Wun Wun in a "gratitude, prideful" way, he resolved into killing the Giant because he figured it would cause Jon to react erratically (just like he did when he literally blew up his well-thought battle plan for trying to rescue his dead-man-walking brother Rickon). The only difference this time around was that Ramsay stood no chance against his enemies, but he hadn't realized that. His twisted, messed up mind did not allow him to process the thought that he had lost the battle and that he was about to die.

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What can he achieve by striking Jon?

He might have missed it or killed him. But he will surely going to be killed later on by the giant or by any random Wilding and soldier. So not much gain.

He did the same with Rickon Stark in the same episode, he could have tried killed Jon , as he was on same distance as Rickon when he got killed.

Ramsay even tried to kill Jon Snow too after Wun Wun but he got the shield on right time.

What he achieved by killing Wun Wun first?

Ramsay was same sadistic jerk and even near his deathbed he love playing with other people's emotion. Trying to kill Jon Snow was no fun to him but giving him more pain was. So he chose to kill Wun Wun first.

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    "He might have missed it". You're saying Ramsay can shoot a running man across half a battlefield into the heart, but not a standing, distracted man across the yard? – Chris Jun 22 '16 at 19:29
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    @Chris I said, he didn't tried in both the situations and i think we all can agree that he is good with arrows but Jon did protected himself very easily later on. – Ankit Sharma Jun 22 '16 at 19:31
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    Why didn't Ramsay shoot Jon before the battle when Rickon was running away? – nilon Jun 23 '16 at 3:23
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    @nilon because a lone, imperilled Jon facing down a cavalry charge is more useful than a dead Jon. With Jon in peril, his cavalry will feel honour-bound to break formation and charge, trying to save their leader, putting themselves in a weak position where they're outnumbered and in range of Ramsay's archers. If they see Jon die in a heroic attempt to save his brother, they will be more motivated to follow their original orders and stand firm in their strong defensive position, as per the original battle plan. The whole thing was a grand, masterfully-orchestrated trap. – user568458 Aug 17 '16 at 9:31
  • @user568458 thanks! although seems quite unclear, I only understood: hero dies --> soldiers motivated. But isn't the idea to win the battle? With no opposing leader, most likely Ramsay's side had bigger chance to win. – nilon Aug 17 '16 at 12:50
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I think that Ramsay got cocky... He had a bow and arrows, and Jon Snow was a bit of a ways off. He loves to mess with people and hurt them by hurting others, so he probably thought, "I'll kill Wun Wun just to make Jon angry, then I'll shoot Jon." But as we know...

Jon grabbed a shield and made his way over to Ramsay and beat his face in. So that plan didn't work out too well.

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It's Ramsay's way of torturing, he thought that if he kills the giant first, he'll hurt Jon's feelings, especially that Jon was already looking to the Giant and thanking him for everything.

All what Ramsay was doing is teasing Jon, first by the letter in the beginning of the season, then killing Rickon, then killing the giant.

Also, I believe that Ramsay knew he was dead anyways, so he wanted to hurt Jon as much as possible before Jon kills him!

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Ramsay was pretty sure by having the bow and arrow that he has all things under controlled but he forgot to remove remove :P. He thought he will take enjoy killing Jon Snow like he did to Theon Greyjoy. But he didn't know this that Jon Snow had fight with death and defeated death.

And more over they(GOT) have to take the story ahead with Jon Snow they can't afford him to kill second time. After all he is the rightful heir to the iron throne. I am kidding nothing is personal friends. :D :P :)

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