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Joffrey in Game of Thrones always seems to believe that it is king's right that he can do whatever pleases him. He justified most of his actions by the same fact. However, he is always challenged for validity for his right on the Iron Throne. First, at the time of his coronation, Eddard tried to reveal the truth to everyone. However, Joffrey got him punished as traitor. That time, Joffrey seems to believe that his father's friend was trying to seize the Throne from him.

After that Stannis declared the same thing and started war against him. He also got support from the Southern Lords for same reason.

So, does Joffrey start believing that he is a bastard at any point of time?

  • I have accepted the answer which satisfies me more. It does not mean that other answers are not relevant or incorrect. – Panther Aug 30 '15 at 12:31
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Tautologist's answer gives evidence of possible moments of doubt - but there's also evidence he still believed Robert was his father until (at least almost) end.

This is from the scene where the small council hears of the red wedding in S03 E10 (the one which ends with Tywin sending the king to bed early):

TYWIN: Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king. I'll make sure you understand that when I've won your war for you.

JOFFREY (shouting): My father won the real war. He killed Prince Rhaegar. He took the crown while you hid under Casterly Rock!

From transcript:

He's trying to one-up Tywin using the bravery and martial prowess of the man he believes to be his father - implying that it's the Baratheon not the Lannister side of his assumed ancestry that is the one to be proud of. A characteristically childish "My dad's better than you, coward!".

Something like this wouldn't leap to mind in a moment of passion or anger if he harboured serious doubts about it, and it wouldn't work as characteristically egotistical one-upmanship if Joffrey didn't believe he had both Baratheon and Lannister ancestry.


Fun fact - substitute "Price Rhaegar" for "King Aerys" and the quote arguably becomes accurate. Technically Tywin wasn't hiding under Casterley Rock at that exact moment, but he had been.

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    Actually I was thinking about including this in my answer, because my initial thoughts about this scene were identical. However after some thinking I came to conclusion that what he did wasn't really bragging about his father. What he wanted to achieve is to answer angrily to Tywin. In other words - he meant: "you were a coward during the war", not "my father was a great warrior during the war". Taking this into account this scene doesn't really prove that he didn't have any doubts about his father - he might have had them, but they were simply unimportant in this moment of anger. – Chanandler Bong Aug 26 '15 at 9:14
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    "Boasting" was the wrong word, I've edited it - but the one-upmanship element (a characteristically childish "my dad's better than you!") only works if he does truly believe he's Robert's son – user56reinstatemonica8 Aug 26 '15 at 9:44
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    Well, yes, but in my opinion if you are angry you may easily forget about these small doubts that you are really trying to push to the very bottom of your psyche in the first place. I understand that you see it differently, I guess we simply won't agree on this part :-) – Chanandler Bong Aug 26 '15 at 10:00
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    Yeah, personally I wouldn't ever bring up something that felt like a vulnerability or existential doubt in the heat of an intense argument. Then again, I'm not a sadistic child king born from incest, so I could be wrong :-) – user56reinstatemonica8 Aug 26 '15 at 10:05
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    @AdamDavis from a sophisticated character, sure, that'd be a cunning way to twist the knife. But this is Joffrey. In fact, this is Joffrey mid-tantrum. He's never shown that level of sophistication, especially not during a tantrum. Also, when characters do use subtext like that, the actors and directors usually drop clues - a raised eyebrow, a pointed pause, emphasis... E.g. "My... father won the real war" – user56reinstatemonica8 Aug 26 '15 at 15:08
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He started having doubts, which he expressed in the first episode of the second season:

Having heard rumors about his parentage, he confronts his mother. She dismisses it as gossip spread by his enemies.

Whether he believed her or not we simply cannot tell. In the books he is not a POV character, so we don't know what his thoughts are.

However taking into account that Joffrey was (among other things) rather stupid I think it's highly probable that he really thought it's only gossiping and believed he was Robert's son until his very sad end.

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    You were saddened by the end of Joffrey? :P – KRyan Aug 26 '15 at 14:28
  • You must admit that his end was sad, despite the fact that it made a lot people happy :-) – Chanandler Bong Aug 26 '15 at 15:45

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