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In Casino Royale, James Bond is required to enter a password into a security device. Later in the film, he reveals that the password he supposedly entered was Vesper...

However, the brief shot we of him entering the code shows him using the number 4, making it impossible that the code be Vesper, as this website points out:

When Bond enters his password in the casino, he enters 836547. He later gives the password as VESPER, which on an alpha-numeric keypad would be 837737.

If we are to take it that this is a goof (which it almost certainly is), it stands to reason that at the time of filming a different password was considered: it's unlikely whomever is responsible for the close-up shot of him entering the code was illiterate enough to enter the wrong code, and even more so for the continuity department not to notice (although, they clearly missed this from the final cut: so it's not entirely implausible).

Could it be possible that another password was originally intended to be used; one that required the keys 836547 in spelling it? can anyone figure out what this original password could have been, before it was (possibly) re-conned to be Vesper?


To reiterate for clarity, considering answers supplied:

We KNOW this is, in some way or another, a mistake. Continuity goof is not the answer we are looking for, we're trying to work out what the original password the actor was told he was typing into the keypad was. It's an unlikely (and thus rejected) hypothesis that for such a key close up in the movie, the actor was told to just type a random code in. There must be some contextual purpose that was perhaps later changed.

We know the word corresponds to the keypad letters 836547 as we see him type it in. What could this word have been?

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    While this is an interesting possibility I'd doubt it was anything else but because noone cared enough what numbers he enters at all, thinking that noone (apart from some "goof-hunters") would actually notice it anyway. But I would have to recheck the scene to see how ovious it was at all what he entered. – Napoleon Wilson May 31 '14 at 0:14
  • I might be dead wrong but from a brief look, the combination 836547 doesn't seem to spell any word in English. – Walt May 31 '14 at 0:20
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    Hmm, looking at the actual scene, it's really a very obvious close-up. My proposed "don't care"-attitude from the filmmakers' side might not apply too much then. – Napoleon Wilson May 31 '14 at 0:23
  • @Walt - Vesper is a name, it's not English. Using one of the many number to word calculators on the web, even the Vesper correct code doesn't come up with any names. – JohnP May 31 '14 at 1:37
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    "Hi, question for Ms. Bellamy. In episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes that same rib twice in succession yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we, to believe that this is some sort of a, a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder." - The Simpsons, Season 8, Episode 14: "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show" – MattD Nov 18 '14 at 20:32
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This is a bit of a non-answer, but having watched the scene(s) many times and scoured the Internet, I'm going to say it's just a movie mistake. It's certainly identified as such (continuity error) on most Movie Mistake websites.

My only reasoning is thus: one, there doesn't appear to be another solution and one is unlikely forthcoming and; two, despite the close up of the shot, it's certainly understandable that the editing team could have missed this. When you consider some continuity errors in films involve things appearing in one shot, missing in the next and then reappearing in the following shot, it certainly seems logical that the team could have just missed this.

I'll of course update this answer in future if more information is forthcoming, but for now I call movie mistake.

Edit:

The more I think about it, the more I have a slightly different conclusion. I think it's possible that the original pass code was just a random number that Bond was using, but later on, to demonstrate how much he cared about Vesper, it was shown he had changed his pass code to her name.

In my eyes, this act, something many people in relationships have done, enhances the feeling of betrayal he felt once he learnt her part in Schiffe's plan. She wasn't just a random woman he had bedded, but someone he had given his heart to.

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    A script supervisor and continuity editor are hired to make sure the frames don't contradict: that isn't what's happened here. Craig (or whichever stunt hand was responsible) was told to put a specific number in (836547), surely. It can't be continuity, as this would mean Craig (or stunt-hand) can't input a simple six digit code without getting the numbers wildly wrong... talk about fat fingers, he'd have to be doing it blindfolded... – John Smith Optional Nov 19 '14 at 0:25
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    @JohnSmithOptional: Why can't they have just used different numbers and not realised? Far worse continuity errors have occurred in films. – Andrew Martin Nov 19 '14 at 9:59
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    ...because unless he was doing it blindfolded, he had to be putting something in... are you suggesting it was totally random? that on set they just said "we're gonna do a close up, type whatever you want."... even that wouldn't be a goof, he'd still have been told to type something, at least.. – John Smith Optional Nov 19 '14 at 12:37
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    @JohnSmithOptional: Why not? Why not a totally random number? Or some convincing number that simply had to be a password that later on they decided to change and make it into "VESPER". I think given your background you know a lot more about this stuff than me, but my continuing defence is that I've seen some atrocious continuity errors in big budget Hollywood films, so the idea of this happening doesn't surprise me in the slightest. – Andrew Martin Nov 19 '14 at 12:38
  • I understand what you're saying but maybe you've not understood me: we know its a mistake, of course: it doesn't make sense, how could it not be a mistake? your "later on they decided to change" is actually written into the question as a possibility... what we're trying to figure out is what, if anything, that original password WAS, and its relevance (numerically or alphabetically) to Bond. it's not enough to say "Mistake", we know this already: the question was never 'is it a mistake?', it was could the password originally have been something else, and if so what? – John Smith Optional Nov 19 '14 at 14:36
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Looking at the keypad in the film:

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we see that 836547 could correspond to any of the following 972 (= 35 * 4) string combinations:

tdmjgp, tdmjgq, tdmjgr, tdmjgs, tdmjhp, tdmjhq, tdmjhr, tdmjhs, tdmjip, tdmjiq, tdmjir, tdmjis, tdmkgp, tdmkgq, tdmkgr, tdmkgs, tdmkhp, tdmkhq, tdmkhr, tdmkhs, tdmkip, tdmkiq, tdmkir, tdmkis, tdmlgp, tdmlgq, tdmlgr, tdmlgs, tdmlhp, tdmlhq, tdmlhr, tdmlhs, tdmlip, tdmliq, tdmlir, tdmlis, tdnjgp, tdnjgq, tdnjgr, tdnjgs, tdnjhp, tdnjhq, tdnjhr, tdnjhs, tdnjip, tdnjiq, tdnjir, tdnjis, tdnkgp, tdnkgq, tdnkgr, tdnkgs, tdnkhp, tdnkhq, tdnkhr, tdnkhs, tdnkip, tdnkiq, tdnkir, tdnkis, tdnlgp, tdnlgq, tdnlgr, tdnlgs, tdnlhp, tdnlhq, tdnlhr, tdnlhs, tdnlip, tdnliq, tdnlir, tdnlis, tdojgp, tdojgq, tdojgr, tdojgs, tdojhp, tdojhq, tdojhr, tdojhs, tdojip, tdojiq, tdojir, tdojis, tdokgp, tdokgq, tdokgr, tdokgs, tdokhp, tdokhq, tdokhr, tdokhs, tdokip, tdokiq, tdokir, tdokis, tdolgp, tdolgq, tdolgr, tdolgs, tdolhp, tdolhq, tdolhr, tdolhs, tdolip, tdoliq, tdolir, tdolis, temjgp, temjgq, temjgr, temjgs, temjhp, temjhq, temjhr, temjhs, temjip, temjiq, temjir, temjis, temkgp, temkgq, temkgr, temkgs, temkhp, 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tfmlir, tfmlis, tfnjgp, tfnjgq, tfnjgr, tfnjgs, tfnjhp, tfnjhq, tfnjhr, tfnjhs, tfnjip, tfnjiq, tfnjir, tfnjis, tfnkgp, tfnkgq, tfnkgr, tfnkgs, tfnkhp, tfnkhq, tfnkhr, tfnkhs, tfnkip, tfnkiq, tfnkir, tfnkis, tfnlgp, tfnlgq, tfnlgr, tfnlgs, tfnlhp, tfnlhq, tfnlhr, tfnlhs, tfnlip, tfnliq, tfnlir, tfnlis, tfojgp, tfojgq, tfojgr, tfojgs, tfojhp, tfojhq, tfojhr, tfojhs, tfojip, tfojiq, tfojir, tfojis, tfokgp, tfokgq, tfokgr, tfokgs, tfokhp, tfokhq, tfokhr, tfokhs, tfokip, tfokiq, tfokir, tfokis, tfolgp, tfolgq, tfolgr, tfolgs, tfolhp, tfolhq, tfolhr, tfolhs, tfolip, tfoliq, tfolir, tfolis, udmjgp, udmjgq, udmjgr, udmjgs, udmjhp, udmjhq, udmjhr, udmjhs, udmjip, udmjiq, udmjir, udmjis, udmkgp, udmkgq, udmkgr, udmkgs, udmkhp, udmkhq, udmkhr, udmkhs, udmkip, udmkiq, udmkir, udmkis, udmlgp, udmlgq, udmlgr, udmlgs, udmlhp, udmlhq, udmlhr, udmlhs, udmlip, udmliq, udmlir, udmlis, udnjgp, udnjgq, udnjgr, udnjgs, udnjhp, udnjhq, udnjhr, udnjhs, udnjip, udnjiq, udnjir, udnjis, udnkgp, udnkgq, udnkgr, udnkgs, udnkhp, udnkhq, udnkhr, udnkhs, udnkip, udnkiq, udnkir, udnkis, udnlgp, udnlgq, udnlgr, udnlgs, udnlhp, udnlhq, udnlhr, udnlhs, udnlip, udnliq, udnlir, udnlis, udojgp, udojgq, udojgr, udojgs, udojhp, udojhq, udojhr, udojhs, udojip, udojiq, udojir, udojis, udokgp, udokgq, udokgr, udokgs, udokhp, udokhq, udokhr, udokhs, udokip, udokiq, udokir, udokis, udolgp, udolgq, udolgr, udolgs, udolhp, udolhq, udolhr, udolhs, udolip, udoliq, udolir, udolis, uemjgp, uemjgq, uemjgr, uemjgs, uemjhp, uemjhq, uemjhr, uemjhs, uemjip, uemjiq, uemjir, uemjis, uemkgp, uemkgq, uemkgr, uemkgs, uemkhp, uemkhq, uemkhr, uemkhs, uemkip, uemkiq, uemkir, uemkis, uemlgp, uemlgq, uemlgr, uemlgs, uemlhp, uemlhq, uemlhr, uemlhs, uemlip, uemliq, uemlir, uemlis, uenjgp, uenjgq, uenjgr, uenjgs, uenjhp, uenjhq, uenjhr, uenjhs, uenjip, uenjiq, uenjir, uenjis, uenkgp, uenkgq, uenkgr, uenkgs, uenkhp, uenkhq, uenkhr, uenkhs, uenkip, uenkiq, uenkir, uenkis, uenlgp, uenlgq, uenlgr, uenlgs, uenlhp, uenlhq, uenlhr, uenlhs, uenlip, uenliq, uenlir, uenlis, ueojgp, ueojgq, ueojgr, ueojgs, ueojhp, ueojhq, ueojhr, ueojhs, ueojip, ueojiq, ueojir, ueojis, ueokgp, ueokgq, ueokgr, ueokgs, ueokhp, ueokhq, ueokhr, ueokhs, ueokip, ueokiq, ueokir, ueokis, ueolgp, ueolgq, ueolgr, ueolgs, ueolhp, ueolhq, ueolhr, ueolhs, ueolip, ueoliq, ueolir, ueolis, ufmjgp, ufmjgq, ufmjgr, ufmjgs, ufmjhp, ufmjhq, ufmjhr, ufmjhs, ufmjip, ufmjiq, ufmjir, ufmjis, ufmkgp, ufmkgq, ufmkgr, ufmkgs, ufmkhp, ufmkhq, ufmkhr, ufmkhs, ufmkip, ufmkiq, ufmkir, ufmkis, ufmlgp, ufmlgq, ufmlgr, ufmlgs, ufmlhp, ufmlhq, ufmlhr, ufmlhs, ufmlip, ufmliq, ufmlir, ufmlis, ufnjgp, ufnjgq, ufnjgr, ufnjgs, ufnjhp, ufnjhq, ufnjhr, ufnjhs, ufnjip, ufnjiq, ufnjir, ufnjis, ufnkgp, ufnkgq, ufnkgr, ufnkgs, ufnkhp, ufnkhq, ufnkhr, ufnkhs, ufnkip, ufnkiq, ufnkir, ufnkis, ufnlgp, ufnlgq, ufnlgr, ufnlgs, ufnlhp, ufnlhq, ufnlhr, ufnlhs, ufnlip, ufnliq, ufnlir, ufnlis, ufojgp, ufojgq, ufojgr, ufojgs, ufojhp, ufojhq, ufojhr, ufojhs, ufojip, ufojiq, ufojir, ufojis, ufokgp, ufokgq, ufokgr, ufokgs, ufokhp, ufokhq, ufokhr, ufokhs, ufokip, ufokiq, ufokir, ufokis, ufolgp, ufolgq, ufolgr, ufolgs, ufolhp, ufolhq, ufolhr, ufolhs, ufolip, ufoliq, ufolir, ufolis, vdmjgp, vdmjgq, vdmjgr, vdmjgs, vdmjhp, vdmjhq, vdmjhr, vdmjhs, vdmjip, vdmjiq, vdmjir, vdmjis, vdmkgp, vdmkgq, vdmkgr, vdmkgs, vdmkhp, vdmkhq, vdmkhr, vdmkhs, vdmkip, vdmkiq, vdmkir, vdmkis, vdmlgp, vdmlgq, vdmlgr, vdmlgs, vdmlhp, vdmlhq, vdmlhr, vdmlhs, vdmlip, vdmliq, vdmlir, vdmlis, vdnjgp, vdnjgq, vdnjgr, vdnjgs, vdnjhp, vdnjhq, vdnjhr, vdnjhs, vdnjip, vdnjiq, vdnjir, vdnjis, vdnkgp, vdnkgq, vdnkgr, vdnkgs, vdnkhp, vdnkhq, vdnkhr, vdnkhs, vdnkip, vdnkiq, vdnkir, vdnkis, vdnlgp, vdnlgq, vdnlgr, vdnlgs, vdnlhp, vdnlhq, vdnlhr, vdnlhs, vdnlip, vdnliq, vdnlir, vdnlis, vdojgp, vdojgq, vdojgr, vdojgs, vdojhp, vdojhq, vdojhr, vdojhs, vdojip, vdojiq, vdojir, vdojis, vdokgp, vdokgq, vdokgr, vdokgs, vdokhp, vdokhq, vdokhr, vdokhs, vdokip, vdokiq, vdokir, vdokis, vdolgp, vdolgq, vdolgr, vdolgs, vdolhp, vdolhq, vdolhr, vdolhs, vdolip, vdoliq, vdolir, vdolis, vemjgp, vemjgq, vemjgr, vemjgs, vemjhp, vemjhq, vemjhr, vemjhs, vemjip, vemjiq, vemjir, vemjis, vemkgp, vemkgq, vemkgr, vemkgs, vemkhp, vemkhq, vemkhr, vemkhs, vemkip, vemkiq, vemkir, vemkis, vemlgp, vemlgq, vemlgr, vemlgs, vemlhp, vemlhq, vemlhr, vemlhs, vemlip, vemliq, vemlir, vemlis, venjgp, venjgq, venjgr, venjgs, venjhp, venjhq, venjhr, venjhs, venjip, venjiq, venjir, venjis, venkgp, venkgq, venkgr, venkgs, venkhp, venkhq, venkhr, venkhs, venkip, venkiq, venkir, venkis, venlgp, venlgq, venlgr, venlgs, venlhp, venlhq, venlhr, venlhs, venlip, venliq, venlir, venlis, veojgp, veojgq, veojgr, veojgs, veojhp, veojhq, veojhr, veojhs, veojip, veojiq, veojir, veojis, veokgp, veokgq, veokgr, veokgs, veokhp, veokhq, veokhr, veokhs, veokip, veokiq, veokir, veokis, veolgp, veolgq, veolgr, veolgs, veolhp, veolhq, veolhr, veolhs, veolip, veoliq, veolir, veolis, vfmjgp, vfmjgq, vfmjgr, vfmjgs, vfmjhp, vfmjhq, vfmjhr, vfmjhs, vfmjip, vfmjiq, vfmjir, vfmjis, vfmkgp, vfmkgq, vfmkgr, vfmkgs, vfmkhp, vfmkhq, vfmkhr, vfmkhs, vfmkip, vfmkiq, vfmkir, vfmkis, vfmlgp, vfmlgq, vfmlgr, vfmlgs, vfmlhp, vfmlhq, vfmlhr, vfmlhs, vfmlip, vfmliq, vfmlir, vfmlis, vfnjgp, vfnjgq, vfnjgr, vfnjgs, vfnjhp, vfnjhq, vfnjhr, vfnjhs, vfnjip, vfnjiq, vfnjir, vfnjis, vfnkgp, vfnkgq, vfnkgr, vfnkgs, vfnkhp, vfnkhq, vfnkhr, vfnkhs, vfnkip, vfnkiq, vfnkir, vfnkis, vfnlgp, vfnlgq, vfnlgr, vfnlgs, vfnlhp, vfnlhq, vfnlhr, vfnlhs, vfnlip, vfnliq, vfnlir, vfnlis, vfojgp, vfojgq, vfojgr, vfojgs, vfojhp, vfojhq, vfojhr, vfojhs, vfojip, vfojiq, vfojir, vfojis, vfokgp, vfokgq, vfokgr, vfokgs, vfokhp, vfokhq, vfokhr, vfokhs, vfokip, vfokiq, vfokir, vfokis, vfolgp, vfolgq, vfolgr, vfolgs, vfolhp, vfolhq, vfolhr, vfolhs, vfolip, vfoliq, vfolir, vfolis

None of these, however, are English words. But, if we consider it as a concatenation of two words, we are left with this possible set:

temkip, temlip, temliq, tenkip, tenlip, tenliq, ufokip, ufolip, ufoliq

i.e. combinations of TEM, ten, UFO and kip, lip, liq..

It could also be an acronym (possibly one ending in HQ).

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Years later... Has anyone considered the Latin translation of ellipsis? Evening. It’s a stretch but it does work. Ellipsis and evening begin with the same later. Eliminate the first letter in both (as it’s the same— and it happens to work out) continue after the duplicate after ellipses and we get the code bond punched in, obviously in a respective order. 836-537 (VEN- eVENing, LIP-elLIPses). It’s a large stretch, but what’re the odds they truly didn’t look at the code he entered? Plausible on both sides, but I’m leaning on the side with closure.

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836547 can spell out "ten lip."
"Ten" might be a reference to a "perfect ten" and "lip" might be a body part or the attitude/sass that body part can be used to express.

It's much more likely this was a filming goof, but if you want something more interesting to think about in line with the story, there you go!

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It was supposed to be Vesper. But wouldn't translate to the movie if they used the correct corresponding numbers. Because he'd have to type the seven a few times. So I say they used the first two and last one letter.I doubt anyone will see my answer as this discussion is very old. But I had to give my two cents.

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I just found a website that admits all the mistakes made while filming Casino Royale, and by the looks of it the list of mistakes is pretty long.

http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/cr_mistakes.php3?t=mi6&s=cr

To answer your question, I'll bring up the confession that admits the goof-up with the numbers.

When Bond enters his pass code at the poker game, he enters 836547. This combination of numbers cannot spell VESPER. However, at the end of the film when Vesper Lynd enters the pass code, the last three digits entered are 737 (which, indeed, can spell PER).

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    A website that "admits" sounds like it's official information from the film-makers. Is this in any way secured or could this just be a fan-site that simply "calls this out" as a mistake either? – Napoleon Wilson Nov 19 '14 at 13:25
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I think that 836547 has to be divided this way 83 - 65 - 47 Those are Vesper's body measures. In the scene before we see Vesper giving Bond a perfect tailored smoking, hand made just for him. That's the point. The password was just his "revenge" on her deduction skill about his own body. The password is not Vesper but is anyway about her, or what Bond thought that her measurements are. It has sense in that moment, it is connected with the scene before, the problem is in the end of the movie when he tells her that the password is her name... they should have paid more attention in that moment...

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    This is poor speculation. 83-65-47 (assuming centimeters) would be a very odd body shape. The actress who plays Vesper, Eva Green, has measurements around 89-61-89 cm. – Darrick Herwehe Jan 15 '16 at 21:14
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    @DarrickHerwehe: It's even odder if you assume it's in inches... – Nate Eldredge Jan 17 '16 at 2:15
  • I agree. It can't be Vesper's body measurements. btw, what exactly did Bond have against the "tailored" suit? When he says "It's tailored", why is he annoyed? Are ready-made suits better? I thought having a suit tailored to one's body contour is best. – Nav Jan 17 '18 at 17:05
  • @nav Regarding 'why is he annoyed' - I thought it was more surprise, as in - 'How could this be tailored since you haven't measured me? You must have amazing eyesight!' – Longshanks Jun 11 '18 at 12:20
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The number 836547 also spells venkis which in Esperanto comes from venki which means defeat. http://www.esperanto-panorama.net/vortaro/eoen.htm. James Bond knew he was going to defeat Le Chiffre and had a cleaver way of entering the word in another language.

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    I feel like this is a bit of a stretch. You'll need to elaborate more, and your link doesn't really provide anything to back up your answer. – MattD Jan 2 '16 at 6:42

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