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So according to the Marvel Multiverse (the different universes the various Marvel franchises operate their characters within), the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU, where the live action films take place) is continuity Earth-199999 and Ultimate Spider-Man is Earth-1610.

Whilst Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) is clearly fashioned after the Ultimate Marvel universe, it is not canonically/overtly established and acknowledged as such by Marvel Entertainment, as the franchise is owned by Sony.

However, the cartoon Ultimate Spider-Man, which is also overtly overtly set in the Ultimates Universe, features Agent Phil Coulson: a character created specifically for the MCU and appearing nowhere else in any Marvel Multiverse.

Agent Coulson

To further entrench the association, Coulson has the likeness of and is voice-acted by Clark Greg, the same actor portraying him in the Live action MCU.

This, it seems, is the first and only time the MCU has crossed over outside of its own universe, and into another (pre-established) one from a different medium.

Has the MCU ever overlapped into another property that isn't directly beneficial to its own continuity, anywhere else?

I'm aware that the basic function of the Ultimate universe is for Marvel to have control a representation of all their cinematic characters, even those outside of their Marvel Studios productions (The most vertically integrated and thus most lucrative), so it's fairly common for characters to show up in Ultimates.

However, the MCU seems to try to function in a one-way Microclimate: The MCU can borrow from other properties, but other properties can't borrow from the MCU. It locks IP down in an iron grip that way, I suppose.

I'm aware that Disney (who own Marvel Entertainment) produces the Ultimates series, so there is promotion of brand synergy (which is obviously why this has happened), but I'm wondering if it's ever happened anywhere else?

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You've got a lot of properties listed here, so for the sake of clarification, let's break them out.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) is where the films produced by Marvel Entertainment / Disney take place. Films include:

  • Iron Man (1, 2, 3)
  • Captain America (1, 2, 3)
  • Thor (1, 2, 3)
  • The Avengers (1, 2)
  • The Guardians of the Galaxy (1, 2)
  • Ant-Man / Ant-Man and the Wasp
  • Doctor Strange
  • Spider-Man: Homecoming
  • The Incredible Hulk (w/Ed Norton, but not The Hulk starring Eric Bana)
  • Black Panther
  • Captain Marvel

Cinematic filmed shorts (distributed with the aforementioned films) include:

  • The Phil Coulson shorts
  • The one with the Chitauri item
  • The Mandarin-centric short

MCU TV and Netflix series considered in-continuity for the universe include:

  • Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (ABC)
  • Agent Carter (ABC)
  • The Inhumans (ABC)
  • Daredevil (Netflix)
  • Luke Cage (Netflix)
  • Iron Fist (Netflix)
  • Jessica Jones (Netflix)
  • The Defenders (Netflix)
  • Punisher (Netflix)

There are additional in-continuity films and Netflix/TV shows announced, but it is not worth listing them until they near release.

These MCU properties will interact with each other, but will likely not interact with anything else. Marvel Entertainment may license Marvel to produce comics explicitly set in the MCU, such as a prequel or side-story; these comics will state this as matter of fact, but based on observations of other such products in the past, it is unlikely that any media created external to the films/television productions will be referenced by the films/television productions.

The Marvel Comics Universe (MU) is where all the standard Marvel comics take place. It has versions of everyone and even added a Phil Coulson analogue. It has crossed over into the Ultimates Comic Universe through cross-dimensional portals. Notably, its version of S.H.I.E.L.D. with Maria Hill, is used in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The Ultimate Marvel Comic Universe (UU) is a "hard core" version of the standard Marvel Comics, and their premiere super team, The Ultimates, is the inspiration for at least the Samuel Jackson iteration of Nick Fury and some concepts used in the Cinematic Avengers. It has crossed into the standard Marvel comics universe through cross-dimensional portals. You may be misuing the term "The Ultimates", which refers to the Avengers team as they exist within the UUC. It is not a term used elsewhere in any of the other universes.

The Ultimate Avengers animated universe from the Ultimate Avengers cartoon series featured a version of The Avengers which followed the story established by the Avengers of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but was cancelled when Disney acquired Marvel Comics. It had not, and likely will not ever due to its nature, be referenced in the films.

The Avengers Assemble animated universe is comprised of the Ultimate Spider-Man and spin-offs, Avengers Assemble, and Hulk: Agents of S.M.A.S.H. animated cartoons with an inherent silly nature to them; these all take place in a separate animated Marvel universe based on, but distinct from, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, even referring to The Chitauri aliens from The Avengers, but using identical characters in notably different ways. For example, the teenage Luke Cage from Ultimate Spider-Man is distinctly not the same iteration of Luke Cage from MCU's Jessica Jones.

The Amazing Spider-Man Cinematic Universe from Sony featuring Andrew Garfield in The Amazing Spider-Man (1, 2) has not crossed into any other properties.

The Spider-Man Cinematic Universe from Sony featuring Toby MacGuire in Spider-Man (1, 2, 3) had a spin-off cartoon on MTV, Spider-Man: The New Animated Series, which followed the trilogy film storyline. It was never referred to by the film series.

Notably, a MCU iteration of Spider-Man portrayed by Tom Holland, distinct from prior Sony versions, first appeared in Captain America 3: Civil War, and has his own MCU film, Spider-Man: Homecoming.

The X-Men Cinematic Universe from FOX features the X-Men (1, 2, 3, First Class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse), Wolverine (1, 2, 3), and Deadpool films, which reference each other, but otherwise never crossed into other properties. It has not been confirmed where the Legion and The Gifted TV shows meet any of these shows, if at all.

Additional Independent Properties: The Ghost Rider (1, 2), Fantastic Four (Corman; 1, 2; 2015), Blade (1, 2, 3), Daredevil (2003) and Elektra (both share the same universe), and other Marvel film properties not mentioned here, are stand-alone except where their own sequels are concerned or otherwise noted. Blade: the Series television show extends the Blade cinematic timeline.

Some properties (notably the comic books and cartoons) may hide "easter eggs", which extend into the other properties for one-off encounters, but these incidents would likely not ever be acknowledged canonically by the receiving properties.

Has the MCU ever overlapped into another property that isn't directly beneficial to its own continuity, anywhere else?

The MCU as defined above does not cross over into other properties, so no.

The Phil Coulson characters that you cite are artifacts of their individual universes, and while voiced by the same actor, only the film (Avengers, Iron Man 2, etc.) and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Phil Coulson instances are intended to be the same character in the same universe.

Other properties may or do cross over to the MCU, but not officially in the sense that it would ever be addressed in the MCU, fitting with the definition of "beneficial". In fact, none of the films to date has referred to any television or Netflix show, though the shows themselves refer to the films and have film guest star cameos (most notably Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter). Most "crossovers" are between the MU or UU characters (who interact a lot, especially during the 2015 Secret Wars), but of note:

  • The Spider-Man comics had a Spider-Verse crossover where he met every significant iteration of Spider-Man, including film and cartoon versions. This would never be acknowledged on film, and none of the Spider-Men he met during that adventure were the Tom Holland MCU Spider-Man.
  • The Deadpool film featured an extended sequence on an obviously decommissioned MCU S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier; that would be considered an unofficial crossover to MCU from an external source.
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  • "it's version of S.H.I.E.L.D. with Maria Hill, is used in the Marvel Cinematic Universe." so Ultimates established the Shield Hierarchy/Presentation of the MCU, by showing it first? was the Ultimates simply published first (but possibly conceived of after pre-production of The Avengers) to create synergy, or is there sufficient evidence to suggest they Created the version of SHIELD and the MCU copied it? – John Smith Optional Feb 9 '14 at 16:01
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    Marvel Comics Universe (MU) created the Helicarrier S.H.I.E.L.D. Ultimate Universe (MUU) created the Sam Jackson Nick Fury and an updated S.H.I.E.L.D. with cooler helicarriers. Cinematic Universe (MCU) co-opted Sam Jackson Nick Fury for Iron Man. MU adopted the look and feel of the MUU S.H.I.E.L.D. and created characters like Maria Hill and Victoria Hand used by the MCU. The MCU is an amalgam of ideas from both the UU and the MU. You would have to be specific about each individual idea to nitpick which exact one is specifically sourced from which specific comic universe. – JoshDM Feb 9 '14 at 16:10
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    For example, Phil Coulson is a product of the MCU and a version of him was subsequently created for the MU S.H.I.E.L.D.; he has no analogue in the UU. Victoria Hand first appeared in the MU and showed up in the MCU via the AoS TV show, but does not appear (but may exist) in the UU to my knowledge. – JoshDM Feb 9 '14 at 16:13
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    UU established Nick Fury as looking like Samuel Jackson. MCU used Samuel Jackson as the only Nick Fury. At one time during "Secret Invasion", the MU had classic Nick Fury use a hologram to disguise himself as a Samuel Jackson look-alike for a while. The MU later introduced Nick's son, Nick Fury Jr., during the "Battle Scars" comic series; Jr. is essentially the Marvel Cinematic Universe Nick Fury and has taken his father's place at S.H.I.E.L.D. This is the same series that introduced Coulson to the MU. – JoshDM Feb 9 '14 at 16:44
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    Here is a diagram of the current studio license holders: imgur.com/gallery/DnXShSd – JoshDM Feb 10 '14 at 2:22
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As far as I know, nobody confirmed coming from Earth-199999 have crossed over to other Marvel universes. However, the opposite have happened; according to the Marvel Wikia, the Young Avengers visited the MCU while looking for the character Speed, in Young Avengers Volume 2 #8. In the same issue there's also an Easter egg, showing Earth-616's Loki's passport which shows that he's visited a few Marvel alternate universes-among these, the MCU. However, I'm not sure if this passport is canonical, but if it is, this means the main universe Loki have visited the MCU.

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  • This is interesting! It falls back into that whole one-way referencing valve again: Other properties can reference the MCU, but the MCU distinguishes itself from involvement in other properties... – John Smith Optional Feb 9 '14 at 15:39
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Recently the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man, Tobey Maguire Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man TV show Spider-Man were involved in the spider verse event where alternate spider-heroes teamed up to defeat the inheritors: energy vampires who hunt alternate spider-heroes.

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Several false assumptions.

  1. Ultimate Spider-Man the cartoon is NOT Earth-1610. Earth-1610 is the Ultimate comic universe. Ultimate Spider-Man the cartoon is the Marvel Animation Universe, and designated Earth-12041 as established in Secret Wars: Official Guide to the Marvel Multiverse Vol 1, October 28, 2015. It also includes Marvel's Avengers Assemble cartoon, Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. cartoon, and Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon.

  2. Ultimate Spider-Man is not based overtly on the Ultimate comic universe. None of the plot lines or background is based on it. Even Remotely. It does use some threads, but that's slim to none. It is still heavily Main universe 616 inspired.

  3. Marvel heavily borrows from MCU into 616 and the now ended 1610 (The Ultimate Universe ended with the Secret Wars event in 2015, some characters surviving the destruction). The Inhuman events in 616 mirror the Inhuman events in MCU Agents of Shield. The Character Designs in 616 mirror whatever actor is currently playing the same character in the movies. Compare 616 Tony Stark in the 90s to modern day Tony Stark and notice how he now looks like RDJ.

  4. Coulson has migrated to 616 and previously 1610. So has Nick Fury, the Samuel L Jackson MCU version, as the son of the white Nick Fury, as Nick Fury, JR. Specifically he's not the 1610 version.

  5. Marvel's All-New, All-Different, post-Infinite CrisisSecret Wars universe may not even be 616 anymore.

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