I recall a scene in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince where I saw Crabbe and Goyle failing to brew the drought of living death.

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How they get into Slughorn's newt potion class?

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    I'm wondering if it's because Snape (their head of house) was still the potions master... or had he moved on by this point?
    – Liath
    Commented Aug 8, 2013 at 14:06
  • @Liath - They would have received their classes the end of the previous year. Snape would have been the Potion's Master at that point, so I believe you are correct. Commented Aug 8, 2013 at 14:10
  • I believe in the books they aren't.
    – Tablemaker
    Commented Aug 8, 2013 at 14:15
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    @TylerShads - I believe you're right; as I recall, there were four Ravenclaw students, four Slytherin students, three Gryffindors (our heroes) and one Hufflepuff (Ernie Macmillan). I don't remember for certain, but I think there was actually a line about Malfoy looking out of place without his sidekicks.
    – Adam V
    Commented Aug 12, 2013 at 18:04
  • @TylerShads - You are correct. The books name Ron, Harry, Hermione as the ONLY Gryffindors to move on in Potions, however the movie also shows Neville, Dean Thomas, Seamus Finnegan and Lavender Brown. Katie Bell (7th year) and Romilda Vane (4th year) are also shown in the class. Crabb and Goyle are not mentioned in the books as being in the Potions class as well.
    – JohnP
    Commented Apr 2, 2014 at 14:47

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A purely speculative answer.

To qualify for Newt Potions they would have had to have received high grades in their previous year (during the events of The Order of the Phoenix). At that time Professor Snape was potions master.

It's well known that Snape played favourites and often made exceptions for Slytherin children who's parents were associated with "You Know Who" thereby keeping the illusion that he was one of the Death Eaters.

I believe Snape gave them high grades in the previous year so they would be accepted into Slughorn's class (which if I recall correctly actually had a lower entry requirement than Snape - a fact which benefited Harry!)

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    Normally, I would agree, except that entrance into the NEWT class was determined by OWL test score and the OWLs were given by officials from the ministry. Commented Aug 8, 2013 at 14:25
  • @Donald.McLean - BUT ... while it was determined by the OWL, the teacher sets the criteria for entrance into the class. Since Snape did this for Potions during TOOTP, he could have allowed them into the class. Speculation On the flip side, as dumb as Crabbe and Goyle were, they may have been good enough at Potions to actually gain entrance into Snape's class without special consideration. Commented Aug 8, 2013 at 15:00
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    Let me clarify my point. Yes, Snape could allow them to take his class regardless of grades, but the answer doesn't say that, it says that Snape could have fudged their grades to that they met the requirement. But, as I pointed out, the grade used to qualify would be their OWL grades, not their class grades. However, Crabe and Goyle's grades are never discussed anywhere, so we have no way of knowing. Commented Aug 8, 2013 at 15:05

I think there are a few possibilities here.

The first possibility is that Snape could have fudged it as @Liath suggested in his answer. However, the OWLs were external exams marked by external examiners. Although Snape has influence over the teaching of the course, the actual examination was done independently (similar to the GCSE system in UK which Rowling was clearly basing it on). So although Snape could in theory have altered the marks, I don't think it seems likely.

The second possibility is that they got the grades required to enter the class. Whereas Snape was strict about only accepting students with an Oustanding in their OWLs, Slughorn accepted people with Exceeds Expectations. It is possible Crabbe and Goyle got this qualification. I've three reasons for suspecting this.

Firstly, as is clearly demonstrated in the final book, both Crabbe and Goyle become very proficient in the dark arts. They clearly have the ability to learn advanced magic and the patience to get better at it. The books and movies often portray them as being bumbling, but they clearly have some ability.

However, Snape had pointed out in the past that Potions is not like the other branches of magic. It requires much more concentration and patience, which brings me on to my second reason. They aren't very imaginative and follow Draco Malfoy's instructions like gospel. This suggests a complete lack of independent thinking. Whilst they would never be the equivalent of the Half Blood Prince, inventing and brewing their own elaborate Potions, it does seem plausible that they could follow instructions to the letter as would be required in a Potions classroom. Their lack of imagination might even help with this, as they'd be determined to only do whatever they were told (or rather, whatever they read on the ingredients/recipe sheet).

However, I don't really agree with either of these first two reasons. In fact, it's mentioned at times in the books that they struggle with even basic potion brewing and that Snape, showing his favoritism, chooses to overlook their incompetence and instead focus his wrath on Harry, Ron and Hermione.

Therefore, it's this third and final reason which makes me think they could have gotten Exceeds Expectations - Harry and Ron did. Sure, they had Hermione Granger, the smartest kid in the history of anything helping them, but we see regularly in the books and films that neither of them are particularly academic (and especially not Ron, who has a fair few "dopey" moments throughout the books). They both tried hard for their OWLs though. The Order of the Phoenix actually has a passage where it mentions how even Crabbe and Goyle were seen studying, so clearly they are trying hard too. Given their adoration of Snape, it seems very plausible to me that out of all their OWL subjects, Potions would be the one most likely to receive attention in their revision - and thus is also seems possible they legitimately scraped the grades necessary to task the class.

Ultimately, I think that in the books and movies it causes a few eyebrows to be raised seeing them in the NEWT Potions class, but it was good for the plot and kept them around as Malfoy's sidekicks. Obviously that's the real reason Rowling included them in the class, but when trying to argue how they got in in the fictional world of Hogwarts, I think the most likely reason is that they did just enough to get in and no more.

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