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I just watched Tenet and didn't get it. That's not a problem as I'm not a native English speaker so I rely on subtitles. Even though I understood the English (I switch to Hindi audio wherever necessary), I didn't get the movie.

The problem I want to talk about here is about the movies like this itself and the audience. Let's consider both Inception and Tenet. I faced similar issues when I watched Inception first time. I understood 80% of Inception after watching 2nd time and I loved it. Some day I might understand Tenet too and love it.

When I read reviews, comments by different people on Reddit, Quora etc., heard from my friends, many of them say you have to watch it (especially Tenet) again to understand them properly. Some explain the reason for it - like much of the dialogue can't be understood in one go even if you're a native English speaker.

So are such movies intentionally meant to be watched more than once to understand? And made to pause and read subtitles to clearly understand things and ponder on things (when you're watching it online)?

OR is it totally unintentional and depends on the type of audience? Like, it is not meant for people who are not really good at English (or any other language they are watching it in), who don't watch movies often or I would say these movies are meant for intelligent (who can be totally attentive for 2-3 hours and is used to watching such movies) people only?

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    Could someone please explain downvotes? – Vikas Mar 31 at 3:05
  • Are the "comments by different people" ... specifically talking about the meaning of the dialog is difficult to understand or is the audio difficult to hear? Nolan is notorious for his artistic choice of keeping spoken audio low (/natural) in the mix - it can be difficult even for a native speaker to understand what words were used. – iandotkelly Mar 31 at 17:15
  • @iandotkelly so does it mean he sometimes work for his personal satisfaction rather than thinking about general audience? – Vikas Apr 1 at 4:30
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    @Vikas I'd say so, check the citation in my answer. – Luciano Apr 1 at 7:55
  • I love movies a lot but if I don’t fully understand a movie when I watch it I consider it a weakness of the movie, or perhaps I’m not part of the movie’s target audience. Perhaps it’s more accurate to say that what I focus on is whether I enjoy the movie and if I enjoy it, it doesn’t matter if I understand it. If I don’t enjoy it, it also doesn’t matter. If the fact that I don’t understand it is part of why I didn’t enjoy it, I blame that on the movie and don’t force myself to watch it again. But other people like the challenge. – Todd Wilcox Apr 2 at 3:20
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Disclaimer: I haven't seen Tenet yet but heard that it's hard to get.

In general, this is how I see it:
People make movies to tell their audience a story or a concept. They do their research on that concept and then figure out the storyline to incorporate necessary ideas based on the outcome of their studies. This makes the plot complicated(eg: Inception, DejaVu, 2001 Space Oddessy etc) Now sometimes they twist the ways they tell their stories(eg: Memento) which makes it more complicated.

Now coming to your questions:

So are such movies intentionally meant to be watched more than once to understand?

I don't think so. Some people get them first time. Those who don't, if they are interested to understand the substance, they rewatch.

Or made to pause and read subtitles to clearly understand things and ponder on things (when you're watching it online).

If you are interested, then you should do whatever it takes to understand the dialogues and storyline. And you should ponder on things after you have watched the whole movie(that's what I do), else you will miss other important things and soon lose interest. You should keep the things in your miind to think about it later.

OR is it totally unintentional and depends on the type of audience? Like, it is not meant for people who are not really good at English (or any other language they are watching it in), who don't watch movies often or I would say these movies are meant for intelligent (who can be totally attentive for 2-3 hours and is used to watching such movies) people only?

It depends on audience. It helps if you're good in English, but if you keep watching, you will start getting things. Yes you have to be attentive for such movies but I don't think that is a set parameter for being intelligent. Understanding movies doesn't make one intelligent!

Bottomline:
Filmmakers work with a concept and the plots. Their target is general audience(beyond a certain age limit ofcourse).

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    You didn't mention Primer... one of the most complicated TT movies I can recall to understand. – CGCampbell Mar 31 at 13:41
  • Guess what...I haven't seen Primer yet!! :( – Spectra Mar 31 at 14:16
  • Okay but that makes me doubtful actually. "Their target is general audience". If their target is general audience, then many, a lot of people (like in case of Tenet) won't get it in first go at least. So does it indirectly mean it was made for viewing more than once? – Vikas Mar 31 at 14:17
  • @spectra watch it. dismiss it as dumb, then realize things weren't as they seem and watch it again. Watch it a third time, sure you've got it.. then find one of several web sites devoted to decomposing the time loops and realize you're just now understanding that you didn't and don't really understand it. (yeah, I'm kind of funning, but not really. It's way more complicated than most people think after seeing it once.) – CGCampbell Mar 31 at 14:24
  • @Vikas what I can say is that they know it will take multiple watches to understand those movies, but I can't say if it is made intentionally. That's all. – Spectra Mar 31 at 16:35
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I believe it's a consequence of the complexity of the story being told, at least in the case of Christopher Nolan's movies, and the amount of time / effort to construct such stories. I'll talk specifically about Nolan since the question focuses on his movies.

In an interview for NPR, Nolan mentions (emphasis mine):

I think there's a really productive relationship between the medium and the physical reality of time and the idea of time that we all live in. So I've been dealing with this in my films for years and I had this visual notion of a bullet that's in a wall, being sucked out of the wall, and into the barrel of the gun it was fired from, and I put the image in Memento, my early film, as a metaphorical idea or a symbol of the structural notion of the film. But I always harbored this desire to create a story in which the characters would have to deal with that as a physical reality. And that eventually grew over the years into Tenet.

So you can see that some of the concepts used in Tenet were first idealised for Memento, some 21 years ago!

Sometimes these stories are not created with a specific target audience in mind, but the writers / directors just want to tell that story to express themselves through the media of film.

In the case of Tenet, the director explicitly mentions his focus was not on the movie being 100% understood by everyone:

The interesting thing in movies is, you know, looking at the thriller genre in particular, you're not meant to understand every single aspect. You're meant to go on the journey, pass through the maze, understand the things you need to understand for the stakes of the scene you're in, and then you get to the end of the movie and you've been on a journey and you understand how you got there. That's the key.

In a way, this is a movie where his target audience was himself (again, emphasis mine):

The idea that you'd watch a large-scale studio blockbuster and come out feeling like maybe there are things I didn't understand that I should go back and take a look at or whatever. I think that's kind of fun. And as an audience member, I've always enjoyed movies that, if you want to see it a second time, you're going to see a different movie. You're going to see different layers in it.

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  • Regarding the 'you're not meaning to understand', they even broke the 4th wall and said it right away in the movie. The first time they tried to explain inversion, the science gal said 'it's better if you don't try to understand it' – dna Mar 31 at 14:11
  • @dna was she breaking the 4th wall or just explaining to another character? – Luciano Apr 1 at 7:54
  • well that's up to you to decide at this point. But from my point of view, it's half/half. It's not a breaking in the meaning that she didn't break character and look directly at the fourth wall while saying it. – dna Apr 1 at 11:19
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Short answer.. Sorry but no.

There are some movies that are meant to be fully understood at the second viewing. Most of the time it is managed by giving the viewer the decryption key at the end of the movie. This make watching the movie a second time a different expérience.

The most famous one is probably the 6th sense. I won't explain it as it would be unneeded spoil. Either you've seen the movie and know what I mean. Or you don't and I won't spoil it, even if it falls under the 'I'm your father' rule.

There are also movies you are not supposed to understand no matter how many time you watch it (hey, that's the all point of opera after all)

In Tenet, you are given the decryption key at the start of the second act. If you go watching the movie without any information about it, you are likely to not really understand the opera scene. But from this point, the inversion is 'explained', and each new rule is explained around the time it appears.
Additionnaly, as I joked in the comment, there is an additional decryption key given by a character.

It works better if you don't try understanding it

I really considered it 4th wall breaking, even if a stealthy one.

So you might want to rewatch the movie to fully appreciate the opera scene (including that one split second detail you are unlikely to get on first viewing). But you should not need it to understand the rest the movie.

Yet, the explainations can be quite wordly. And would not make sense in a real world. And given on a fast pace, because of time constraint.
So yes. If you are not fluent on the language, you might not get all the details. So for Tenet (or for Inception as far as I remember), you might need multiple watching to understand all explainations. But it's not done on purpose. Like you assumed, it's an intended audience issue.

Additionnally, as you said you switch to hindi at some times, it can also be a bad translation issue, making it harder to understand the section you already had issue with.

PS : Sorry for grammatical issues. I'm french, and very bad at english grammar.

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