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Season 2, episode 8 of The Mandalorian features a brief — but significant — cameo from a character well known in the Star Wars universe.

While CGI technology was used to change the face of this character to fit into the timeline of The Mandalorian somehow two people were credited for the physical body of this character in the episode:

  • Double for Jedi: Max Lloyd-Jones
  • Stunt Double for Jedi: Matt Rugetti

Why was this done?

The character appeared for less than a few minutes total on screen, the stunts didn’t seem to strange or risky at all. The action this character engaged in seemed to be purely interactions with CGI adversaries and environments and not much else.

Is there some Hollywood bureaucratic reason this character’s brief appearance was handled this way? Something like stunt doubles are not SAG members and thus cannot “act” as well?

From my perspective, the stunt double could have easily been the body double as well so this seems a bit odd to me considering this character’s face was digitally altered.

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    Thank you for the careful wording & completely non-plot-spoilered question (I'm starting the series tonight, now I can binge it;) (I didn't click the link, of course, just in case)
    – Tetsujin
    Dec 19, 2020 at 19:32
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    @Tetsujin Thanks! If you liked my wording there, check out this Sci-Fi & Fantasy SE question I posted about the same episode. Dec 20, 2020 at 4:28
  • FWIW, I just found this video on YouTube that claims that the decision to use Max Lloyd-Jones was a last minute decision. The original plan was to just have this character’s face in the shadows, under the hood. That would somewhat explain why two people were required to play one role. But I can’t find any other references online to backup this claim. So it might all be a very educated guess on this YouTube producer’s part. But just posting it here as a reference for anyone else who might want to take a crack and find a more direct reason for this. Dec 21, 2020 at 3:41

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Pay-scales.

Simple economics.

The stunt double would cost three times as much as the body double.
If only a day or two of stunts was required and the rest of the time simple walking/standing was all that was needed, then getting in a cheaper replacement would be the most economical solution.

You can’t ask a non-stunt-registered actor or SA to do stunts - “health and safety” and all that. Stunts are insured differently from “players” and their pay-scales are totally different.

Conversely, you can ask stunts to “act,” but you’re still going to be paying them stunt rates.


FWIW, my “qualification” for this answer is I work in the industry. Some of this information can be easily Googled, but others rely on “in world” word of mouth.

Proof of stunt rates isn’t easy to obtain as you have to be a member - you can look at bits of this but not all of it on the British Stunt Register site. Basic day rate is about £300 but variable depending on Stunt Grade. I don’t know the full range as I’m not stunts, but this is from conversations over the years on set. The British Stunt Register is the authority in this territory.

SA (supporting artist) rates are much more easily searchable (most SA agencies have this info publicly available on their site) - such as this site (amongst others). Movies usually work under the FAA/PACT agreement. Basic day about £100 plus 20 quid for doubling.

This is all UK information. The US and other territories no doubt have their own agreements, but I would doubt there is a territory where this basic difference in rates would not apply.

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  • Thanks! That said, have you watched that episode yet? Because from what I can see… The body double could have easily done the same “stunt” work the stunt double did… Meaning I saw utterly nothing that — in my mind — qualified as something that was risky in my eyes. Dec 20, 2020 at 17:12
  • Having now watched it, I can see the clear delineation. Stunts for swinging weapons, double for standing in a room. (again without trying to add spoilers)
    – Tetsujin
    Dec 21, 2020 at 11:00
  • First, that was a pretty cool way to end the series for now, right? Anyway, read this comment I posted to the question itself. Seems plausible if something can back it up. Dec 21, 2020 at 17:25
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    Yup, moved the plot on nicely :) The fighting needed someone skilled in 2-handed sword and katana. No matter how late the call to use a double in 'act 3', it would make no financial sense to get that guy back in. Bear in mind the shoot schedule would have been 6 months minimum, probably more for a show like this as they have to finagle the CGI "live" to The Volume. Even allowing for covid testing they could have got an SA costumed & ready to go in 2 days easily; same day if they were really, really pushed. I've often had calls which start "How soon can you get to [studio]?"
    – Tetsujin
    Dec 21, 2020 at 17:44

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