So I noticed something while watching the movie and later saw online that a few people noticed it too.

During multiple instances in the movie, the wall clock shows the same time. Around 11:11.

see below the image

Could that just be a coincidence? Or if not, the time being same would mean Arthur was dreaming all along, where he was living all those moments in a dream and the time stood still.

I read that Jeremiah 11:11 verse in bible had a significant message related to spiritual awakening.

Could this be related? Could Arthur be having illusions and dreams and none of it all happened in real life?

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    FTR, at the time this question was posed both Joaquin Phoenix And Todd Phillips are disavowing any hidden meaning behind the 11:11 clocks. FTR², there is at least one other clock in the film. That one shows 10:40.
    – user18935
    Oct 20, 2019 at 20:54

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To answer your question: possibly but doubtful. From what we've seen Arthur liked to imagine/hallucinate about good things happening to him like

being hugged by his idol or getting into a relationship with his new neighbour

We can probably safely assume that all the key elements of his transformation into the Joker, like

killing the guys on the subway, murdering his mother and Murray on the show

were real. There is nothing "good" about them for Arthur, it is not a fantasy that he would like to escape to.

Actually, it is ambiguous whether Arthur is hallucinating at all or just daydreaming: he seems to be fully aware that Murray didn't hug him and he is not overly shocked when his neighbor barely recognized him.

Now, regarding the clocks: this looks like another shot-out to 2004 movie The Machinist. There are few others:

  • Both Arthur (Joaquim Phoenix) and Trevor (Christian Bale) characters are unnaturally thin enter image description here

enter image description here (There are similar scenes in the Joker movie with Arthur sitting half-naked on the couch, but I couldn't find them - here is an article describing his weight loss issue - he has lost 52 pounds, while Christian lost over 110)

  • They both have an imagined relationship (with a waitress in case of Trevor)
  • Clocks, when displayed, show always the same time: 11:11 in Joker, 1:30 in The Machinist

I've always heard about the time displayed by clocks in a movie having some kind of meaning. They are after all scenario pieces that can be controlled and used to convey some kind of message. But I haven't found any analysis about the theme on a quick search.

That being said, clocks are usually portrayed in advertisements with a display set to 10h10min. Which is usually meant to showcase the clock hands without obstructing the company's logo mark. I'd say the 11h11min is meant to convey the message that "something seems off here".

I've once seen an interview with a director who mentioned he had been asked by a fan on why every clock in his movie displayed the same time, he refused to answer, with the mysterious "what do you think is that?". Recalling this, I believe the correct answer, rather than some deep meaning is simply: To make continuity easier. Think about it: If every clock is stuck at some given time, then no matter if you take a whole day or week to shoot a 5 minute scene, you don't need to rewind clocks all the time, nor do you need to add their time with CGI in post-production. So this is a good policy for a low-budget/low SFX movie.

The "everything was just a dream" is a very cheap trick I've only seen either on children's cartoons or in fan fiction. In the former case, this is meant to avoid consequences while allowing the writers to break the rules and continuity requirements of a show. In the latter case, I've seen this both as an allowance to tell a story that doesn't cause actual changes or to disturb the notion that the show/series establishes (Rugratz theory comes to mind). So either poor writing or intentional creepypasta are the usual contexts for stating that "everything was a dream".

Granted, some comments mentioned a few instances where something alike to a "dream sequence" provides a plot justification/explanation or context to very respectable works.

After watching Joker once, we notice that Arthur Fleck is the POV character, and thus also a narrator, and a non-reliable one for that matter. So, big parts of the happenings stand on shaky grounds after being conveyed to the audience from the perspective of Fleck.

That being said, the final cut does an explicit recap at some point in the movie showing the corrected versions of some circumstances without Fleck's distortions. From that example, I would infer that Fleck's delusions are not that distant from reality. And the daydreaming sequences are also well pointed and bluntly disconnected from the flow of the story.

The fact that the sequence of events depicted in the story as actual events are cohesive and consistent enough, I'd interpret that they're real (thus not a dream), but suspicious and distorted by Fleck's flawed interpretation of reality.

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    Plots explained away through alternate realities/universes or hollodeck/simulations might come under the 'dream sequence' category and are the basis for a lot of both good and bad SciFi storylines.
    – user18935
    Oct 20, 2019 at 4:26
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    @Jeeped You're of course right - The Devil's Advocate, Mulholland Drive, Vanilla Sky and of course Inception are just examples of "all just a dream* and neither of those movies were "kids cartoons"
    – Yasskier
    Oct 31, 2019 at 1:35
  • @Yasskier : I get your point. Yet, I can't resist saying that the ending of The Devil's Advocate sounded to me like I've caught you on groundhog day, while in Inception, despite the action taking place within a dream, there are real stakes (someone dying in the dream will loose his mind, the goal of inserting the ideia has real-world consequences). I haven't watched Mulholland Drive nor Vanilla Sky.
    – Mefitico
    Oct 31, 2019 at 3:49
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    Just a note on 'movie clocks' - they usually don't tick, or run at all unless a scene requires it specifically. They are manually set to the scene time by props, whose job it is to continuously monitor what time 'scene time' actually is. Of course, that's a simpler job when scenes are fully written before shooting than it would have been for this movie, where scenes were being written on the shoot day.
    – Tetsujin
    Jan 13, 2020 at 8:56

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