In the last episode of game of thrones, Sansa asks that the North becomes independent and Bran allows it.

Seeing this, Why didn't the other rulers ask for the same thing?

Especially Dorne and the Iron Islands.

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    not every kingdom can self sustain – Ankit Sharma May 22 at 3:49
  • Iron islands has on off been indepened of riverrun.. true.. why would they be under Bran, they should have asked for independence. The other kingdoms may have the self sustainability part an issue.. why the iron islands are a part of 6 kingdoms I dont get – Anu7 May 22 at 3:59
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    scifi.stackexchange.com/q/212830/15706 same thing asked on SFF & the brilliant accepted answer states that Sansa was smart enough to wait for other people to say Aye & then made her demand. Other people who already said aye can't go back on their words – KharoBangdo May 22 at 4:44

I accept and agree with the answer that was given on SFF (“Sansa was smart enough to wait for everyone to say aye, so they can’t go back on their word”).

However in my opinion there could also be the fact that, the north has always had its own sort of “culture” and independence, there is a certain respect between northern houses. So it’s easier for the other kingdoms to accept them as independent, since they’ve always, culturally, been seen as seperate from the other six kingdoms.

On top of this, the north is the size of the other six kingdoms combined, so having them ruled independently makes much more sense, than in the other kingdoms cases.

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    Dorne and the Iron Islands have had much more of a culture of independence than the North. – Sefe May 22 at 10:26
  • I do agree that they both have very strong cultures; however, both the Iron islands and Dorne are much smaller in comparison, the two have some of the smallest populations in Westeros. Thus it may be in their best interest to be part of the 6 kingdom alliance. They don’t have the power to be fully independent. – MatthewGadsden May 22 at 11:50

It wouldn't make much difference if they did officially seek independence. As a king with little or no family holdings, bannermen, or revenues, Bran would have little power over any of the southern kingdoms of Westeros -- and less ability to influence the North, even if he did reject Sansa's aspirations toward independence. Refusing to acknowledge a king would needlessly provoke a crisis.

The situation is similar to that of the Germanic kings and the later Holy Roman Empire (as well as other European regions) where the monarch was elected from among the peers of the realm. The Emperor would gain little more power than he already possessed, and the electors would have no interest in choosing someone likely to interfere with their own interests, let alone to give the position enough resources that it could be become problematic for them.

In Bran's case, he's now responsible for a devastated city in a region already ravaged by war and overrun with leaderless Dothraki, with no obvious sources of income. No wonder the other lords are happy to leave what's left of the Iron Throne to someone unlikely to bother them while they rebuild their own lands. The Iron Islands won't see the fleetless king as a threat and the Dornish lords in the far south were probably far enough away from winter and the war that they have the troops to fend off any aggressors.

You can see why King Bran is happy to leave it to Tyrion to clean up the mess...


It doesn't make sense. The writers should have known better.

If you put yourself in the position of the lords of Dorne and the Iron Islands, there is not much stoping them from secession:

Dorne takes pride in never having been conquered. The (then) Six Kingdoms at their full strength were unable to defeat Dorne in war. They joined the Seven Kingdoms by their Princess marrying a Targaryen king. The Targaryen line is extinct and the rest of the Kingdoms are weakened by the war. So who will stop a seceding Dorne now remembering the Martell words "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken"?

The Iron Islands survied on piracy before being conquered by the Targaryens (with the help of dragons). If they secede, they can retreat back onto their islands and sustain themselves by raiding the mainland. And rebellion is not unheard of them:

The Iron Islands have never lacked for treachery. They respect only strength, and honor is as foreign to them as the Seven. After six years, their ruler - Lord Balon Greyjoy - wagered that King Robert had not won the support of the great houses of Westeros, many of whom still named him "Usurper". Lord Balon declared the Iron Islands independent, and sent his Iron Fleet to Lannisport.

Now that the other Kingdoms are weak, Yara will have a hard time defending her loyalty to them to her people. Remember she was passed over as a successor to Balon Greyjoy by her people in favor of Euron. She should have learned her lesson by now.

Now consider that as a premise to the council meeting. There is a very real danger of the Seven Kingdoms completely breaking apart. That should be the most pressing issue and everyone in the council would be aware of it. Since Sansa was also very open about the independence of the North it is highly unlikely that the other lords would just say "Aye" and not expect her to come up with a "Thanks, but no thanks" at the end, while they would be held to their words.

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    This doesn't answer the question asked - if you think that people like Gendry should have wanted to be kings of independent nations and willing to risk losing peace for it despite not even knowing how to be a lord, or that someone like Yara should be willing to risk a war she couldn't win for independence when she had literally just said she was happy serving under Queen Dany, your answer should explain why that would be in character for them. – user56reinstatemonica8 May 22 at 8:27
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    @user568458 It doesn't answer the quesion, because I think there is no answer that would explain it. Yara also has to please her people and if she wouldn't seize a chance for independence, she would be out of a job (and probably dead) soon. They sit on a freaking island and can resort to piracy. The 5 or 4 remaining kingdoms would have to first build a fleet to stop them. As far as Dorne is concerned, they have never been defeated. They have become part of the kingdom by marrying a Targaryen. That line is gone, so what will stop them from seceding? – Sefe May 22 at 10:25
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    @user568458: "your answer should explain why that would be in character for them.". I have edited my answer accordingly. – Sefe May 22 at 10:45
  • much of speculation than answer. – ashveli May 22 at 11:58
  • I feel like you nailed it and this should be the correct answer – Gabriel May 23 at 18:55

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