In the movie Avengers: Endgame, Tony (Iron Man) is memorialized at the end of the movie with a funeral attended by the Avengers and their friends, but why didn't Black Widow get the same treatment?
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3Wow! Three answers from the same article. Were we all working on it?– A J ♦May 3, 2019 at 12:15
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@AJ guess this article contains so much answers to potential questions, we all memorized a two-click path to go and fetch it... :D– JenayahMay 3, 2019 at 12:16
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@Jenayah I added more links :P– Ankit Sharma ♦May 3, 2019 at 12:25
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5Her funeral was throwing the bench in the lake, like how they floated Tony's arc reactor away.– Azor Ahai -him-May 3, 2019 at 21:31
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@AzorAhai I think he threw it clear over the lake, into the next lake.– Harper - Reinstate MonicaMay 3, 2019 at 22:30
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This was addressed in an interview - basically, who says she didn't/won't?
Some people felt like Natasha deserved a funeral just like Tony. [...] The Russos cleared the air regarding this topic as well:
Q: Why didn’t Black Widow get a funeral as well?
A: Did you forget when the heroes were mourning for her after when they returned from the past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be told.
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3What a lame excuse. Reality is that Marvel never promoted her as much as the other Avengers, or any of their female characters really, even Ms. Marvel.– userMay 6, 2019 at 8:24
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@user - because Natasha was a second tier character (like Hawkeye). And Ms. Marvel was a bust from the beginning. All the promotion would have failed. How has Captain Marvel's comic sales done after tens of millions of dollars worth of promotion? Oh yeah. It's tanked. Ms. Marvel was booooring. Natasha was awesome. Hopefully the Black Widow movie will be good.– MayoJul 17, 2019 at 13:28
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@user - I was referring to the comic book - not the movie franchise. Ms. Marvel, AFAIK, has not been in a movie.– MayoJul 17, 2019 at 13:47
From screenrant
During a Q&A with Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo posted on Chinese website Tencent QQ (and translated by Reddit), the lack of this scene was finally addressed. In typical Russo fashion though, he suggested many possible explanations for why it's not in the movie.
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
Additionally, co-writer Christopher Markus gave his own explanation too
As Markus told The New York Times, "Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral."
Also from IGN (expressing mostly same motives)
McFeely explained: "Her journey, in our minds, had come to an end if she could get the Avengers back. She comes from such an abusive, terrible, mind-control background, so when she gets to Vormir and she has a chance to get the family back, that’s a thing she would trade for."
He continued, "The toughest thing for us was we were always worried that people weren’t going to have time to be sad enough. The stakes are still out there and they haven’t solved the problem. But we lost a big character — a female character — how do we honor it? We have this male lens and it’s a lot of guys being sad that a woman died."
answered May 3, 2019 at 12:14
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5I'm not sure I understand what the point of the last paragraph is? Is there more context in the article? May 3, 2019 at 15:43
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2@AzorAhai I think it's a confusion on whether it's appropriate in the current socio-political climate to have a female that's mourned almost entirely by male coworkers. Did she not exist outside of work and handsome dudes? It would have been easier if it had been Hawkeye who died, because he at least had a family. Which are basically the same reasons it was easier to have a funeral for Tony. May 3, 2019 at 22:00
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1@zibadawatimmy Hmm, I'm not sure that would be that objectionable? There are a lot of problems with women in the MCU (and calling them "female[s]"), but BW being mourned by her well-established closest friends doesn't seem that unusual. Plus, it seems like she's made friends with Okoye, CM, and SW (if this is post-unSnap) and she even calls everyone her "family." May 3, 2019 at 22:17
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The bigger problem is that the Dusting was very misogynistic, and took every female hero but Natasha (and Nebula). Partly because those female heroes had been added to bust "Smurfette effect" because Hollywood was getting called out for that... and for narrative reasons, the Dusting also rolled the Avengers back to the original six. (+ Rocket + Nebula because it wouldn't have been beleivable that all the Guardians dusted). May 3, 2019 at 22:41
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1So basically it's the result of Marvel having painted themselves into a corner by having poor representation for women in the entire MCU up to that point, with BW's death being the ultimate expression of it.– userMay 6, 2019 at 8:28
It could have happened off-screen or might happen in upcoming films.
As Joe Russo explains,
Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
But Christopher Markus says,
Tony gets a funeral. Natasha doesn’t. That’s partly because Tony’s this massive public figure and she’s been a cipher the whole time. It wasn’t necessarily honest to the character to give her a funeral