Timeline for Who is our hero, Frodo or Sam?
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| Jan 13, 2020 at 14:35 | comment | added | Rob Crawford | Frodo did as well as Isildur, and does anyone doubt Isildur was a hero? Even more -- Frodo didn't have the combined armies of humanity and elves behind him, just a gardener and a treacherous addict. | |
| Dec 28, 2018 at 18:17 | comment | added | EvilSnack | "But not for me." <- The brush-stroke that perfects the tale. | |
| Dec 28, 2018 at 18:15 | comment | added | EvilSnack | amflare: Yes, Sam did, according to family legends at least, depart for the Utmost West after the passing of Rosie. | |
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| Nov 29, 2016 at 19:19 | comment | added | amflare | "even if Sam would have been offered the chance for that journey" I'm pretty sure that as a ring-bearer, he was offered the opportunity and accepted it after Rosie's death. It's been years since I read the books, but I think this is mentioned in one of the appendices. | |
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| Nov 22, 2013 at 21:24 | comment | added | Napoleon Wilson | @EFH Hmm, indeed. | |
| Nov 22, 2013 at 20:32 | comment | added | EFH | @ChristianRau - Well, yes. From a quasi-theological standpoint, is that not death. Not the ending of a being, but removal of their influence from the present world and/or state of existence. The trip is one-way. It is clear they are not returning, nor will they have any active influence in the 'world' they are leaving. Just a thought. I appreciate your insight. | |
| Nov 22, 2013 at 20:24 | comment | added | Napoleon Wilson | @EFH "but in my mind the Undying Lands and the retreat of the elves has always been allegorical to death." - Hmm, while Tolkien has always left it ambigiuous if the elves' immortality is positive or negative, I'm not sure I'd go with that interpretation. Maybe death in a metaphorical way as not influencing the fate of middle earth anymore and thus retreating from the sorrows and a meaningful purpose of life, but certainly not allegorical for actual death. But to each his own. | |
| Nov 22, 2013 at 19:19 | comment | added | EFH | I may be viewed as wholly ignorant to the whole pantheon of Tolkien's works, but in my mind the Undying Lands and the retreat of the elves has always been allegorical to death. Thereby, Bilbo and Frodo are not being granted gifts, but are more surrendering to damages from which they cannot recover. This as the elves as a class make reference to surrendering the lands before the more fecund races and the matter that Frodo's physical wound seemed to be diagnosed as terminal. Bilbo had become frail enough of body that the damages to his psyche were no long subsumed, but plain and damaging. | |
| Nov 21, 2013 at 23:58 | comment | added | Napoleon Wilson | @Paulster2 Could be, in fact also the book places more emphasis on the Hobbits and their role, I think. | |
| Nov 21, 2013 at 23:51 | comment | added | Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 | From the movie point of view, couldn't you consider the four Hobbits from the Fellowship the heroes? Aragorn seemed to think so when he said, "You bow to no man." | |
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| Nov 21, 2013 at 22:47 | comment | added | Napoleon Wilson | @SaintGeorg I'm not sure this is so much a decision from the movie, but rather from the book (don't remember, though). But one could also argue that the book itself portrays Sam as the true hero there instead of Frodo. In fact you are not the first one to bring up this view, I think. | |
| Nov 21, 2013 at 22:44 | comment | added | user6796 | Good answer Christian. It seems the production team noted to this point that Sam is the true hero of this story and an accessible pattern to follow by audiences. The film ends by Sam not Frodo or other characters. Also he says the last dialogue of the film which is a meaningful sign. | |
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| Nov 21, 2013 at 22:31 | history | answered | Napoleon Wilson | CC BY-SA 3.0 |