Timeline for Variable zooms in 2001: A Space Odyssey
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| Nov 15, 2023 at 15:33 | history | edited | Tetsujin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 | comment | added | Tetsujin | @ToddWilcox - If your matte & background are at different distances, yes - the matte will hide more or less of the background. Imagine standing near a garden gate in a tall wall, so all you can see is wall & what's through the gate. Then walk towards the gate. You'll see more of the garden. If you stand in the same initial place & zoom a camera, you see the same thing, it just gets bigger & you lose the edges of the image at the same time. | |
| Oct 21, 2023 at 11:53 | comment | added | Todd Wilcox | “If you move the camera, perspective will change. If you zoom, it will not.” - is this still true if the subject is 2 dimensional? E.g., a matte painting? | |
| May 3, 2022 at 17:08 | comment | added | Tetsujin | Nooo. I wish ;) I only swapped to the film industry from a lifetime of music industry a mere decade ago. I'm just practised at spotting techniques, after a lifetime of pro in one industry with a heavy amateur interest in another. | |
| May 3, 2022 at 17:06 | comment | added | Roger Nelson | You worked on Full Metal Jacket? | |
| May 3, 2022 at 17:05 | comment | added | Tetsujin | By FMJ, we had serious parfocal zooms, rock solid dollies & also steadicam if needed. It gets sooo much harder to tell on modern equipment ;) | |
| May 3, 2022 at 17:03 | comment | added | Roger Nelson | Yeah I saw the perspective shift on the hula hoop shot, but thought it may have been a combination of a zoom and a backwards camera movement. I believe Kubrick did something similar in Full Metal Jacket at 1:03:08, the camera is zooming out on Joker then transitions to a camera movement backwards. | |
| May 3, 2022 at 16:12 | comment | added | Tetsujin | idk if you've seen this which has a lens list & some knowledgeable talking heads, which may cast some light on precisely which lenses they may have been. indiefilmhustle.com/stanley-kubrick-lenses Oh, late call, Lolita dance scene probably a zoom. Hard to really tell but there's another small camera move towards the end which probably wouldn't happen in a dolly shot. | |
| May 3, 2022 at 16:05 | comment | added | Tetsujin | Roger - the hula hoop is clearly a dolly move. Watch the sofa behind Humbert, perspective change is very apparent. [tbh, the whole shot is shaky enough to be hand-held, but perhaps in those days weight may preclude that.] 2001 is definitely a zoom - interestingly, the lens doesn't seem to be fully parfocal, there's a focus shift as the zoom is pulled [which makes me think it was done 'live' on set, not in post]. Strangelove looks like zooms too - you can even see that the camera op is hunting for the correct framing towards the end of some of them. | |
| May 3, 2022 at 15:26 | comment | added | Roger Nelson | Tetsujin. I do, I'm just seeing this now. Lolita may only have one shot at 27:05, during a dance scene. I thought the hula hoop shot was a zoom out with a bit of camera movement at 20:07 but now I'm not sure. Please let me know what you think, I appreciate your input. The other one in 2001: A Space Odyssey is at 1:10:38. Dr. Strangelove has 6 or 8 zoom shots from 1:21:36 - 1:23:39. There are a lot to mention and are handwritten so I'll try to take pictures to post or private message to you if you're interested. Here's my edit so far. youtube.com/watch?v=8vzcjH56HkQ | |
| Apr 28, 2022 at 9:19 | comment | added | Tetsujin | Roger - it would be interesting to have a look at those earlier examples too. Do you have timestamps for any of them, save me going through entire movies looking for them? Barry Lyndon, of course, is famous for them. Half the film is shot in a kind of tableau, with a pull zoom. Always makes me think of Greenaway. [Of course,. the other thing BL is famed for is that F0.7 lens… which frankly isn't all that convincing. It's way too soft for my liking. Of course you could do it on a T2 these days, with high ISO. | |
| Apr 25, 2022 at 23:07 | comment | added | uhoh | Nicely done! Speaking of Barry Lyndon, there may be room for an additional answer to Stanley Kubrick used a NASA-inspired lens to film by candlelight in Barry Lyndon, but what did NASA use it for? | |
| Apr 25, 2022 at 21:39 | comment | added | blobbymcblobby | @Acccumulation - in vfx we still do that now, even if its not for film vfx, maybe its those fancy time lapse movies where they pan or zoom around the shot - they start with a massive canvas in the first place, which gives you lots of room to move and zoom around in before you reach the limit of the 'final' resolution. Its an old trick that still works to this day. | |
| Apr 25, 2022 at 21:36 | comment | added | blobbymcblobby | @Acccumulation - not if the compositing was at its highest resolution as it were. With film its harder to see if that happens, with digital it is very obvious as the resolution is digital (fixed pixels) rather than analogue which has a organic feel in the form of grain, which can be more forgiving. If you see any BTS of vfx for films where they paint mattes you will see that they are extremely large. That removes the problem of 'loss of resolution' as they have such a large format to start with. | |
| Apr 25, 2022 at 19:52 | comment | added | Acccumulation | "so it was all shot at the widest and zoomed after compositing." So does that result in a loss of resolution? | |
| Apr 25, 2022 at 16:50 | vote | accept | Roger Nelson | ||
| Apr 25, 2022 at 16:48 | comment | added | Roger Nelson | Thanks. I was pretty sure this was a zoom, it was harder to be sure with the background being black. I was actually able to find 2 zooming shots in Lolita, a whole bunch inside the plane in Dr. Strangelove, 2 in 2001, and a whole bunch more in A Clockwork Orange. Still need to go through Barry Lyndon, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, and Eyes Wide Shut which I know there are a lot of. I'll post the video on here when I'm done. | |
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| Apr 25, 2022 at 15:09 | history | edited | Tetsujin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 25, 2022 at 14:25 | comment | added | Stephen Francis | I know my comment will need removing but before it does, Jeez Louise Tetsujin, you are bloody clever and despite this not being my question I thought both it and your answer was excellent. I knew about the use of the round lenses as opposed to anamorphic but this provides practical context for that decision | |
| Apr 25, 2022 at 8:06 | history | answered | Tetsujin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |